But we can “vote” our way out of it i’m sure! -libs
“The difference between socialism and communism is…”
Tell me you don’t know what socialism is without telling that directly.
None of those links show the quotes being said
I cant find the bernie comments about trump making a good evil commie, i wish anyone would cite anything, i wanted to laugh
Edit: I found the direct link with a timestamp: https://youtu.be/I31qll0KKdo?t=1162
Sanders: The irony is that the proper criticism of communism is that the Soviet Union was an authoritarian society.
And then you’ve got the most authoritarian president in the history of this country…
So I suppose when Trump says, “I’d be a great communist,” yeah, I think there’s some truth to that
i stopped falling for it again at bernie
same and i’m ashamed to admit that it was after the second time that the democrats publicly shafted him in 2020 instead of the first time in 2016.
The US is so corporate brained they stole Microsoft’s Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
I mean the best countries are democratic socialists countries operating under regulated capitalism.
Properly regulated capitalism is a solid economic system.
A Government should provide:
- Food, health and housing security.
- Regulation of private industries to prevent abuse of people, finance, ecosystems.
- A reasonable amount of military strength that is adequate to protect the nation.
- Taxation that allows for points 1,2, and 3 and prevents insane wealth accumulation at the top.
Welfare is not socialism. Socialism is a broader system with a worker state and public ownership of the commanding heights of the economy. Regulations without a worker state and without public ownership of the commanding heights is always twisted in a manner that either protects capital or entrenches it. The European social democracies all rely on imperialism for their safety nets because they do not have socialism.
That’s not what democratic socialism is. That’s social democracy – Capitalism with some kind of social net. It fails for the same reasons capitalism eventually fails; usually after failing as a social democracy first, because capitalist elites will cause corruption & dismantling of the safety net (as is going on everywhere in Europe)
Edit: It’s turning my double dashes to emdashes, I didnt chatgpt this :(
You mean the countries that are progressively going into fascism?
- Benifit from US imperialism.
- Support genocides.
- Completely ignore the material conditions of the global south and pretend it’s their fault they are still underdeveloped.
- Still have poverty despite extremely high levels of average GDP per capita.
How are you going to enforce 1 and 2?
First of all you confused democratic socialism with social democracy. Socialism is fundamentally incompatible with capitalism. What you describe is social democracy.
More importantly, “properly regulated capitalism” has always led to regular capitalism. “properly regulated capitalism” still results in exploitation, if not domestically then abroad. “properly regulated capitalism” still results in commodification of common goods, depletion of resources, a class society, and environmental damage.
Capitalism has only ever worked in theory
Socialism in China lifted 800,000,000 people out of poverty in 40 years and now they’re replacing America as the global hegemon. Socialism allowed the USSR to beat the Americans to space, despite the fact that 30 years prior everyone was peasents, and they just got fucked by the 2nd world war.
Communism isn’t socialism
China has not developed into communism yet. Socialism is a transitional status between capitalism and communism.
Uhh… Yeah, exactly. Do you know the difference? Communism is moneyless, classless, and stateless.
It is literally the end goal of all marxist organizing, it’s actually Nordic “socialism” that is not socialism.
Fake leftists can spread mayo on their own buns.
It’s really easy to be right when you invent quotes
Reposting cornishon’s comment so you can see it:
Sanders: https://youtu.be/I31qll0KKdo?t=1162
Zohran: https://xcancel.com/MarcoFoster_/status/2080716178721264014#m
Thus it’s hard when jankforlife doesn’t.
Please give jankforlife some respect.
Of course American organizers have to use the book definitions of those terms. You know, instead of examining the material reality of the people they want to organize and tayloring to their current understanding in order to raise their class consciousness. As we know, class consciousness is raised by throwing Das Kapital at people. 😆
Americans when it comes to doing anything but coming up with excuses: 👆
Jesus, you people don’t have much time. Fascism is rising fast while you’re compromising with liberals.
Personally, I don’t care about what happens in your country, but you affect the rest of us.
u gringomf are so brainwashed by corpos that treat politics as a company. no, bro, you dont have to do some pr stunt where you talk about communism withput saying what communism is. when you see a true hero of the masses you see in his speach the impecable lingo of antiimperialism, not some moderate half bought “leftist” zionist.
That hasn’t worked for me. What worked was information tailored to where I was at the time. I did the same with my family and friends based on where they were. That’s worked for us. Get off your idealist high horse.
these are not your family and friends, they are politicians. why do you put them to the same level? i am the idealist? your plan is for them to talk softly so no one gets bothered. good people make the best nazis.
Yes, believing that you’re just gonna go out there and speak communism at the most propagandized anti-communist popilation in the world and that they’d change their mind on communism being the antichrist is literally ignoring the material reality of their predisposition. If you believe that, you believe people are swayed primarily by ideas, so you’re an idealist.
Nah they’re right, communists disdain to hide our aims.
Fastest way to work out someone hasn’t even bothered reading Capital Vol 1 is calling it “Das Kapital” when referring to the English translation.
Read it, it’s well worth it.
Same with using CCP instead of CPC.
Defund the police IS a crazy slogan, and I say this as someone who wants to defund the police. Public perception actually does matter and if your slogan is something the vast majority of people won’t understand and will likely find outright scary you’re going to struggle very very hard to accomplish the task the slogan is attached too. Marketing matters and “defund the police” is such a bad slogan it feels like sabotage honestly
The crazy part is that it’s utterly misunderstood as “abolish the police”. You see officers in military gear parading next to crumbling libraries and don’t think the funds should go somewhere else?
Lack of literacy is a problem. Defunding a militarized police force isn’t. But I guess the general public needs more handholding.
I get ya, but that’s an unpopular opinion to have in these spaces. The trouble is that “strip funding from police and redeploy it in ways that address economic uncertainty and other root causes of societal inequity” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well - so “defund the police” it is!
Yeah it’s crazy that it’s not Abolish the police completely. Fucking cowards why are you sucking up to these dems?? It’s like Hasan goin on his stream and glazing these lukewarm libs. I’m sick of it. Vote blue tho! Think of the opitcsssssss omggggg
You don’t actually want anything to change, you just want to be angry.
So keeping the same police that murder and arrest black people and fucking children way more often than any other race should just be reformed a little? The same exact officers fighting tooth and nail not only to protect this violent apparatus but to expand upon it? And I’m afraid of change? My friend, that is not change. And I do not want to be angry, I am. I am mad at the racist institutions and the complacency in it.
Reform the police could accomplish the same goal, but is a more paletable message for the who barely care or don’t care.
Where has a palatable message gotten police reform now?
Well the last time it had a chance of major reform the message was defund the police and it blew up in our face.
What do you mean by “last time it blew up in our faces” ?
What slogan would you like instead? I think “Defund the police” is probably the most succinct and truthful slogan you could come up with. No matter what political goal you have, summing it up in 3 or so words is never going to give the full picture.
Yes, I agree that communicating clearly is important. But there’s only so much you can do realistically.
what about “restructure the police”or “reform the police”?
Cowardice. They will not restructure unless forced. Reform is simply not enough, they are killing us. “Force the police to restructure” is too long. Abolish Police. Defund will suffice for now
People like you are all the right has to point to to sway moderate people who would otherwise be open to solving the problem to continue to ignore it. Messaging matters.
I’m not trying to sway moderates at least not online. That’s just silly and you know it. If you mean talking to people in your day to day life and organizing I’d argue the people I talk to about politics are very much police abolition over restructuring. You wouldn’t restructure ICE, SS. You restructure the housing market , Amazon and factory farms to feed people. You abolish ice, SS, military.
