I think you missed the point of what I was saying and idk what you mean by eurocomm. Anyways it’s late and I’m tired I probably won’t be back for a while because posting is dumb, so bon voyage fellow traveller.

Ah I figured you were american, don’t take this the wrong way but I feel like you guys often treat European leftism more like an intellectual exercise than what it actually was which was a mass political movement that touched millions of peoples lives in different ways. Millions of people lost their lives families were torn apart whole countries were dissolved or they gained their independence. I don’t think the United States has ever really experienced anything like it since the civil war. The twentieth century is moving further and further away but for lots of people the political systems it created and ideological conflicts had very real effects on the people who experienced them.

Its cool, don’t worry about it if people know a lot about history they’ll probably be able to guess from the context and most intelligence agencies already know who I am if they wanted to come for me they could. I just don’t need to make it explicit 😀

More than just draining politics can get you killed. I edited my other post so idk if you saw it but just out of interest are you american? You don’t need to dox yourself it’s why I didn’t tell you which country I’m talking about, but you were close to guessing which social democratic party I’m talking about.

No not the SPD, just out of interest are you american?

It was a big part of why the Nazi party came to power and why so many people didn’t fight back against it people were so disillusioned with politics and the socialist parties had lost a lot of trust.

By the time fascism was on the rise they were just in survival mode because they’d already seen one war and just wanted to survive the next one. It’s was hard to get a bunch of people to fight for an idea that has screwed them over already. It definitely wasn’t the right thing to do but it turns out not every one is a hero when it comes to fighting oppressive regimes even if they don’t like them. Enough people will just keep their heads down and try to survive.

History isn’t something that just takes place in books it happened to real people who also play a role in shaping its outcome. The only reason I’m still doing leftist stuff is because I met Eric Hobsbawm (or im pretty sure it was him) and I promised him I’d keep fighting for a better future.

I know what Social Democratic parties were, I’m trying to explain to you that some people were already disillusioned by what you call communist parties before the Bolsheviks had their revolution. I’m telling you I had family members who were part of the revolutionary proletariat before the Social Democratic communist split and by the time the first world war ended they were already disillusioned with the whole ideology.

You do know that communist parties grew out of social democratic parties right? Seeing as my family members weren’t Russian it was kind of irrelevant for them what the Bolsheviks were doing they were sick of war, they were just were trying to scrape food together because at the end of the first world war people in continental Europe were starving and the idea of waging a class war for the radical section of the party that sent you into the war in the first place just seemed tiresome.

Anyways what I’m getting at is I kind of understand why so many people are cynical about socialism since for some people its not some crazy new radical idea, they’ve been burnt by politics before.

Lol, the Bolsheviks were a faction of the Russian social democratic party. I’m not Russian.

What I’m telling you now is part of my families personal history as ordinary workers who supported the Social Democratic party in the late 19th and early 20th century People did feel betrayed by the social democrats when they supported the first world war. I know that my family members thought that universal suffrage and the ability to vote for a party that said they had the workers best interests at heart would usher in a better world. For them there definitely a utopian aspect to socialism. After the first world war my great grandparents were like fuck that shit, they felt betrayed and didn’t bother joining the communist party anymore.

Did some edits just to make my writing less shitty.

Italy always had a very strong communist and anarchist movement though, the communist party was a major political force in Italy until the 1990s. I don’t really get your point, there were also numerous attempts to reform the system before it reached the state of decline that it did. Hell plenty of people didn’t even want the USSR to stop existing they just wanted some economic reforms, there were enough sharks who smelt the blood in the water though and realised they could make a killing by selling out their country and their people.

🫠 got `em

And I did, it’s also important to not white wash everything because it harms the cause more than it helps nothing caused more disillusionment in socialism than people being betrayed by the party which promised them a utopia, I have family who were socialists since the 1890s, and the first betreyal happened when they got sent to the front in WW1 that was already enough for some people to be like fuck this shit.

Oh I believe it without a doubt but I also believe that this fueled excessive paranoia and plenty of innocent people were screwed over, the cold war was fucking stupid, and the fact that capitalist countries still can’t stand any country being socialist is also fucking stupid but the paranoia that the siege creates can definitely have negative consequences for people living in socialist countries and IMO is a huge source of the authoritarian nature of socialist States more than there being any intrinsic authoritarian nature to socialism, I’ve seen the same thing happen in small socialist orgs.

Edit Exploiting this paranoid aspect was also a way the FBI used to wreck revolutionary groups, the black panthers come to mind.

And one of the suggestions was you’re not aloud to make fun of politicians smh…otherwise it was a pretty great constitution.

No I think its just terminally online left shit, I’ve read about enough weird maoists and other left wing groups that ended up being tools of empire as well.

It’s mostly just online left bullshit though because most anarchists who organise IRL with communists get along fine.

After working for the DNC for free for years and most of my calls being right, they can suck my fucking dick never again the amount of fucking consulting fees other people squeezed out of those pricks meanwhile I’m basically unemployable because of my politics, I’m not even a fucking american.