Why is it inherently unethical to kill and eat animals? Let’s say I raise some free range chickens on my land, consume their eggs and occasionally eat one. Why is this unethical?
I’d argue it’s unethical to kill animals inhumanely or to force them to live so long they suffer like we do with many pets
Most people imagine only female chickens which means the male chicks are killed soon after birth which is unethical
Chickens eat their non fertilized eggs to recoup the nutrients it takes to lay them so stealing them has negative consequences for their health (eg fragile bones) causing which is unethical
The idea itself that you can take something from someone else just because you are stronger or smarter and they can’t stop you is the mindset of an oppressor or a bully and is inherently unethical
Yeah, good luck with that. I guess you don’t understand how humans and humanity work. Without incentive, you can’t expect humanity to change anything, especially if the consequences don’t affect them directly.
Theres also a difference between having a factory farm and having a normal more traditional farm, ignoring that is just deliberately being obtuse.
Good luck with that. I wish you well with changing the mind of some 6 or 7 billion people, with your and the previous commenters attitudes, I’m sure you’re going to win everyone over.
Reinforcement of the whole “vegans are insufferable” trope I guess.
The argument is as old as time and yet yorie absolutely wrong about all of it.
is it ethical to kill?
Under many circumstances, yes it is.
do humans need meat to survive
Not all do, but approximately 1/3 humans have any one of half a dozen different conditions that make them unable to thrive on a vegan diet, even with the expensive supplements that price many working people out of veganism.
Is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery?
No, and you saying so is an insult to every enslaved human on Earth.
if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.
Works cited: crackPipe.png
And your salad has much more exploited human labor in it than my steak has exploited animal labor. Maybe work on ending the exploitation of your own species before trying to equate your fad diet with ethics?
Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings
Just say you love huffing the smell of your own farts and that the malnutrition has left you with brain fog too severe to figure out how to operate a search engine.
Except for the humans with malabsorptive disorders, who can’t get enough protein from plant based foods, humans with Achlorhydria, who need more bioavailable nutrients than a plant based diet can provide, and people with any of several conditions affecting the liver or kidneys that prevent the absorption of several key vitamins from plant sources, and people with ARFID who can’t eat plant based foods.
Most humans don’t need to eat meat, but the minority who do need to eat meat is a much larger minority than most vegoon evangelists care to admit to.
yeah I guess that specific one maybe, but the rest is still true, he is just stating oppinions as fact and that’s just not a good way to argue about anything.
long-time vegan here, this argument is as old as time.
is it ethical to kill? no.
do humans need meat to survive? no.
is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery? yes.
if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.
bonus fun fact: pigs are smarter than dogs
Why is it inherently unethical to kill and eat animals? Let’s say I raise some free range chickens on my land, consume their eggs and occasionally eat one. Why is this unethical?
I’d argue it’s unethical to kill animals inhumanely or to force them to live so long they suffer like we do with many pets
Good question :)
Most people imagine only female chickens which means the male chicks are killed soon after birth which is unethical
Chickens eat their non fertilized eggs to recoup the nutrients it takes to lay them so stealing them has negative consequences for their health (eg fragile bones) causing which is unethical
The idea itself that you can take something from someone else just because you are stronger or smarter and they can’t stop you is the mindset of an oppressor or a bully and is inherently unethical
🏃♂️ 3? 🦢
I agree with you on point three, so I didn’t list a response.
Then why does everyone I know who keeps chickens in their backyard only have female chickens?
The animals are also guilty of #3 , but two wrongs don’t make a right
Yea, what animals do is not considered ethical in plenty of cases. We wouldn’t kill someone else’s baby because “lions do infanticide too” right :p
are you a person? ethics and morality are human concepts…
arguing that eating meat isn’t unethical because it happens in “nature” is like arguing you should be allowed to rape people because ducks do it…
Exactly, I do just this with my dogs and these fucking militant vegans always be on my case.
Amen 🙏🙏
Even just a general reduction of meat consumption in the populace could eradicate this kind of farming.
“Reduction of slavery could eradicate whippings”
Abolish it
Never let perfection be the enemy of good.
Yeah, good luck with that. I guess you don’t understand how humans and humanity work. Without incentive, you can’t expect humanity to change anything, especially if the consequences don’t affect them directly.
Theres also a difference between having a factory farm and having a normal more traditional farm, ignoring that is just deliberately being obtuse.
“There’s also a difference between having a full plantation and a couple helping hands at home”
Abolish it
Good luck with that. I wish you well with changing the mind of some 6 or 7 billion people, with your and the previous commenters attitudes, I’m sure you’re going to win everyone over.
Reinforcement of the whole “vegans are insufferable” trope I guess.
You think we needed to change everyone’s mind before we abolished human slavery?
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The argument is as old as time and yet yorie absolutely wrong about all of it.
Under many circumstances, yes it is.
Not all do, but approximately 1/3 humans have any one of half a dozen different conditions that make them unable to thrive on a vegan diet, even with the expensive supplements that price many working people out of veganism.
No, and you saying so is an insult to every enslaved human on Earth.
Works cited: crackPipe.png
And your salad has much more exploited human labor in it than my steak has exploited animal labor. Maybe work on ending the exploitation of your own species before trying to equate your fad diet with ethics?
Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings.
And where the fuck did you read that 1/3 of humanity cant go vegan? I cant find a single source on it
Just say you love huffing the smell of your own farts and that the malnutrition has left you with brain fog too severe to figure out how to operate a search engine.
wrong on every account. (well, maybe not about pigs intelligence)
Very convincing argument from you here
I’ve presented just as much evidence as the user to whom I’m replying.
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you are stating oppinions as fact
the humans not needing to eat meat one is a fact
Except for the humans with malabsorptive disorders, who can’t get enough protein from plant based foods, humans with Achlorhydria, who need more bioavailable nutrients than a plant based diet can provide, and people with any of several conditions affecting the liver or kidneys that prevent the absorption of several key vitamins from plant sources, and people with ARFID who can’t eat plant based foods.
Most humans don’t need to eat meat, but the minority who do need to eat meat is a much larger minority than most vegoon evangelists care to admit to.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
Healthy humans, unfortunately.
//Seems like at least someone reading this, has not experienced trying to digest stuff like legumes, without a large chunk of their intestines.
yeah I guess that specific one maybe, but the rest is still true, he is just stating oppinions as fact and that’s just not a good way to argue about anything.
Hey man if you’re gonna be a debate club stickler the least you could do is be accurate in your critique