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Pretty sure it is cannon that Edward is stuck at the mental and emotional age of 17. He’s also not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Bit unfair to expect this guy to cure cancer just because Carlisle snacked on his neck during the Spanish flu.
Say you become immortal at 20, will your frontal lobe develop?
Didn’t Interview With The Vampire answer this question? I mean if we take it as part of the vampire canon then the brain does develop further as that little girl was mentally a full ass grown woman trapped in a child’s body
So, New neural connections.
Anne Rice’s vampires were different from others. Their skin and hair would become magically perfect, I don’t even think Claudia had curly hair as a mortal, the “spirit” that inhabited all vampires wanted them to be goddamn beautiful. Also the male vampires had perpetual erections, but their rapturous pleasure of all the other senses made sex impossible to feel, no desire beyond also wanting beautiful things. Anne Rice was a bit weird. And I’m not even getting into the Sleeping Beauty series, I can’t really describe that without getting into CSAM.
Someone else mentioned Sleeping Beauty the other week too. Gave up after chapter 2. Still curious how that is allowed in text, but if that was as a picture, then that’s straight to jail.
Why would an immortal care about curing cancer?
Because being immortal doesn’t need to equate to being a narcissistic asshole?
If we think about it, I’d bet there would be a correlation though… Being immortal has to disconnect you from the rest of society.
Dark triad traits have got to be off the charts on Immortal beings.
Could work the opposite way where an immortal would be extremely motivated not to keep having their loved ones die on them.
Or alternatively you get a World of Darkness situation with the mummys wherein they basically go mildly batshit due to being high on life itself.
Well, but they are not actually immortal, so, the link remains with us.
Because an immortal is likely to have formed connections with mortals that died of cancer. Als, if their friends live longer, they need to start from scratch less often. Another way to archive that is to befriend a family for generations.
To an immortal, it probably wouldn’t make much of a difference. Either they die from cancer or they survive but then die anyways a few decades later. Plus, vampires have ways of extending someone’s life without any medical science anyways.
Though some lores for Dracula had him very deep and advanced in science as well as magic, so it’s possible he did have a cure for cancer but just didn’t care to share it because humans are just livestock to him.
Well cancer isn’t really a disease in the sense that other illnesses are so it might be worth figuring out incase there’s a chance you could end up as a giant suffering blob of immortal tumour.
Be a good way to secure enough money to never have people questioning why you’re never seen in daylight and have been around for so long without looking like you’ve aged.
Except… Aren’t the vampires in those books/movies able to be in the sun? That’s when you see them sparkle, isn’t it?
I mean immortal and immoral are close but not exactly identical
would an immortal be exempt from having cancer?
biologically speaking cancer itself is immortal. I suppose that would mean if an immortal person had cancer, their tumors would be numerous and grotesque.
But treating cancer might be more straightforward, taking out more than you need to and just let the healing take care of putting correct tissue back.
but maybe the trauma of removing it causes more cancer to manifest? it’s not unusual for traumatic injuries to cause cancer to start.
Shit and giggles. Id ssy itd make more sense to invest your infinate time on something more interesting than teenagers.
maybe he tried and gave up and moved on to… um… other things.
I cannot imagine wanting to spend time with children after being around for hundreds of years!
People adults aren’t anymore mature, they just have more money
Maturity comes from life experience and plenty of people mature very quickly in periods of adversity, while their peers linger in childhood or adolescence because there’s no stressors propelling them onward.
I should note that “maturity” isn’t some kind of universal good, either. A person regularly subjected to physical violence will learn coping mechanisms to avoid or endure that abuse. They’ll come out with these reflexes and responses that other adults can read as “mature”. But I wouldn’t say they’re better for it.
Similarly, people who endure poverty have to learn mature habits as a method of survival far sooner than their wealthier peers - how to provide food and shelter for yourself, how to navigate social bureaucracies, how to operate motor vehicles safely. But the techniques they adopt - lying, stealing, driving without any formal training - aren’t condusive to a safe neighborhood or a functional social network.
Ya, but your life experiences change you and the way you think. If you’re software developer it becomes really difficult to watch any show with “hacking” in it. Firefighters and other first responders find it really difficult to watch anything that involves “rescue”. There’s a YouTuber with over 5 million subs who got his start on YouTube by being a firefighter who made fun of firefighting shows.
Now magnify that be a couple hundred years. Your experiences, the things you would have lived through, the basic changes in technology, the world and just the way people live… Your way of thinking would be so radically different from someone who’s only experiences have been in school, parents, and modern life that it would be insanity try to pretend to be one.
I have enough trouble finding common ground and stuff to talk about with those old friends of mine that decided to never have kids or buy a house. I can’t even conceive of how I would go about “blending” in with high schoolers for the rest of eternity.Bowling for Soup was right when they released Highschool Never Ends
But he doesn’t want to cure cancer, he wants to hit on underage girls.
And smell them
Not just a minor but person who might have a mental disorder/illness. In case you never read Twilight, the vampires have unique abilities, Edward’s being telepathy. When he meets Bella, he is unable to detect any thoughts from her. The entire book Bella is literally described as having no subconscious thoughts.
Really? She has such an intellectual-seeming blank slackjaw in the movies
The books/movies make quite clear that Bella has a special power which makes her immune to Edward’s telepathy. It was a huge plot point of the second book.
To imply that she was like somehow cognitively disabled is both wrong and really weird…
But it is very funny.
But Edward wouldn’t have known that when they first interacted.
He did think she smelled bad. That was hilarious
“She’s dumb as shit and she stinks to high heaven… I’m in love.”
The movies make her out to be a total dumbass vs the books. I mean imo its mostly dumb overall but just saying the movies made her seem worse.
Also the actress literally only has 1 expression. 😐
And where does that “power” come from? I did not read the books or watched the movies. Niw that i think of it, hsving a random petson with some kind of power in a novel with vampires and werewolfes doesnt soun far-fetched
Is your power dysgraphia?
Putting the special in that special ability
I’ve not read the books or seen the movies or anything, so I don’t have a clue what Edward is like.
The ‘minor’ issue is one thing (eek) but if I had the power of telepathy, I can only assume I’d be pretty fascinated by someone I couldn’t read.
Human interaction is kinda built on the supposition that you can choose what you share with others and keep private things private, and getting to know people is the process of getting comfortable in sharing more about ourselves. We feel happy around our friends because we feel we have a sense of them and know them, and that’s an earned process.
If you always knew what anyone was thinking, it would make life very bland.
So she described as an air head? Did author imply that she is stupid?
Sounds like anendophasia
It is not considered a disorder
If we were to make a computer to “read our minds” it would pick up on our internal dialog which people with anendophasia do not have.
People with anendophasia are not dumb. They just think different.
Like imagine a person that was born deaf. They can’t have a verbal dialog in their heads. They could imagine sign language, images, or words. But just because they were born deaf doesn’t mean their IQ is low. They just think different.
This is the best explanation of Bella’s mind silence I’ve seen.
I’d add that Edward has likely seen many people with anendophasia and has had no issue reading their minds, but Bella might have an extreme form of it
I’d guess a true telepath would easily read your internal monologue even if it wasn’t strictly verbal. He would not be limited to the language center of the brain, IMO telepathy so specialized would be a stretch if it was a natural gift.
I don’t recall any suggestion of their intelligence. Just that whenever Edward attempted to “read” her mind, he could never glean a single thought. It was a blank void.
spoiler alert
Within the Twilight world, some humans have special abilities which are highlighted and enhanced if they become vampires. He couldn’t read Bella’s thoughts, but that’s because after she becomes a vampire they figure out she has a “shield” power which makes her immune to vampires with powers to effect the mind.
She had thoughts, he was just blocked from reading them.
This is the most interested in Twilight I have ever been!
It’s like 5% actually interesting fantasy world building and 95% shitty romance.
I actually enjoyed that 5% but not enough to read or watch the other 95% again.
And fuck this thread for making me want to read it a second time! I already know it’s garbage from the first time through!
Go watch Hunter: The Parenting, one of the side characters is a vampire wizard named Kevin, he has a wizard gun. Also watch or listen to the audio logs they’re important, just not important enough to get fully animated most of the time.
I’ve heard good things about that one, meant to watch it a long time ago.
They’re easy reads. Meyer had some interesting ideas and inspirations to write a story, but the depth and quality isn’t quite there. She’s even commented that looking back at the earlier books made her cringe. The other place she suffered is that when publishers got their hands on the first book, she explained she just wanted one follow up book, but they talked her into stretching the story into 4 because they felt it was going to be a hit.
It’s an easy comfort read that doesn’t ask you to look for deeper meanings in the story, it’s all right there for you.
Last sentence is wrong.
Yes it’s fiction, but how would that even work? She would have to say every thought out loud. And even then how does she have emotions without any internal thoughts?
There is a sequence in New Moon that is a time jump of multiple seasons. There a literal like four blank pages that indicate the character, Bella, is in a catatonic-like state. She literally can’t form a response to what was occurring around her. Many readers assume this is a cheap way of doing a time jump but even the movie depicts Bella a catatonic state.
I recall we get a sense of internal monologue but everything coming from Edward’s POV is lacking any depth or emotion. When Bella speaks, it is monotone. If you’ve seen the movies you’d think Kristen Stewart was giving a deflected performance that might suggest some disinterest in the role. Not saying I enjoy the movies or the books (as an adult), but this performance to me is spot on for how Bella is depicted.
EDIT: Unrelated, the cars in the movies are not a product placement. Mayers wrote Edward driving a Volvo.
I watched it properly for the first time a couple years ago and I will say that it wasn’t the acting by Kristen or Robert that is what I remember as being bad about the movies. it was, well, probably everything else
I don’t remember it being as bad as I expected tbh
I remember I did actually talk to a teenage girl about that (it was many, many years ago) and she still insisted ‘but it’s hot though’.
It depends… If the age difference is hundreds of years, then it’s magical. If it’s 30 years, then it’s just weird.
she was told its hot, thats why she found it hot
I am hot.
Put the flammenwerfer down Hans.
You were told she doesn’t actually find it hot, that’s why you said that.
knifey spooney
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you don’t know knifey spooney?
i know poop knife but not knifey spooney
It has been years now since I saw the first half of the first movie, but I think I remember that his dad is an actual doctor.
So isn’t he the one that should have focused on that?
(not that I believe an immortal being would be any better than the researchers we have now)
I can’t remember specifics, but I feel like he was… And his “children” that look school age just go to school for a few years in each location they live so they can better blend in. Although honestly he may only have been a doctor so he could steal blood easily, now that I’m thinking about it. I read and watched them all in their heyday, didn’t leave much of a mark on me clearly.
No. They drink animal (deer i think) blood. It makes them weaker and gives them golden eyes, instead oft the red eyes. Its a whole plot point in one of the later books.
That’s right - I only rembered that they were “vegans” and couldn’t remember how.
It was a major plot point that none of the ones in Edward’s “family” drank human blood. You could tell if a given vampire did or didn’t based on their eye color. Human blood made them red.
anyone with ample free time that does not devote their life to the active pursuit of knowledge or bettering their craft is a waste of space
I wonder if vampire brains freeze mentally once they’re turned
I wonder if vampire brains freeze mentally once they’re turned
“Vampire: The Masquerade” has that as a downside of being a vampire. Vampires are less creative than humans, to the point that being turned into a vampire is said to hurt their talent worse than aging ever could. They also can’t properly adapt to new technology. Basically, vampirism comes with creative sterility.
There is a way around it which is basically vampire enlightenment wherein for example they can survive for months off of a drop of blood. Also I think they can reclaim their humanity eventually. Frankly I don’t know jack for shit for World of Darkness, I’ve played Bloodlines (fuck that hotel) and watch Hunter: The Parenting.
sounds like the Sleepless in Nancy Kress’ nivels
All people have a right to exist and what they do with their time and their energy is their decision.
Of course it is their decision, but they are still capable of making good and bad decisions. If Hitler was an immortal, no doubt he’d be spending his time badly, in my opinion. Better yet and more current, imagine an immortal Trump…
Would vampires be people anymore? I feel like if they have to feast on me, that kinda separates us, but a vampire with human values could easily be considered people if they feed of donated blood, for example, requiring no major changes to current laws. In any case, I would have to think about them in the context.
whilst I agree, I do judge anyone who sits on their hands for a 100 years not wanting to learn more about their existence
… you can’t agree and disagree with your point.
whilst I agree (in general), I do (specifically) judge anyone, etc, etc.
e.g. I like seafood in general, but I don’t like oysters, you get it
anyone with ample free time that does not devote their life to the active pursuit of knowledge or bettering their craft is a waste of space
cringe capitalist brainworms tbh
for real, hedonism is a hobby at best
I wonder if vampire brains freeze mentally once they’re turned
(I love that someone wrote an anime vibing off a bunch of Creepy Nuts songs)
Also, to be pedantic, neither of them are strictly vampires - they’re something else
Whoa wait what? I love Creepy Nuts, what’s this anime you speak of?
The one in the image above, Call of the Night
If he’s a bad student he might not even know what cancer is.
Yeah maybe he’s stuck mentally to be some teenager with some sort of learning disorder and really needs that hundred+ years to grasp things
“This is the skin of a killer Bella”
“I’m da killer BAY BEEEE”
!cursedmemes
Batman origin story is a little odd
And Red Hood’s origin story is a little Todd.
