The meme police
OP: 👏 TOMATO 👏 IS 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 FRUIT 👏
Everyone: tomatoes are botanically considered a fruit
OP: ackshually I don’t like it in my fruit salad, therefore it is not a fruit
Let me fix this.
OP: 👏 TOMATO 👏 IS 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 FRUIT 👏
Everyone: technically, a tomato is a fruit
OP: OK sure, but I don’t want it in my fruit salad
Everyone: fair enough, that makes sense.
I’m here for snappy Xitter, 4Chan, reddit or similarly sourced screenshots of texts, cuz i won’t open none of those sites.
I run into this same issue with youtube meme compilations. If the entire compilation is funny home videos THOSE ARENT MEMES
I mean I agree. But I also appreciate people finding the quality comedy on those places for me and sharing it here.
Maybe just start a “SocialMediaGems” sub or something.
there are a couple microblogmemes communities and whitepeopletwitter (and similar) communities, but the ones on .world have terrible moderation.
Man, !microblogmemes@lemmy.world makes me so angry about this. I try to have this account be my funny account and my other lemmy account be the more serious, news-orientated/political account, but microblogmemes allows so much of this “screenshot of a literal fact” posts that it pollutes both accounts’ feeds.
i hate that microblogmemes allows people to just post anything from any microblog platform. they always justify it with “well a meme is actually just a self-replicating idea” which is technically true, but it ignores the meaning the term ‘meme’ has on the internet, which is basically just an image based joke that plays off of internet culture in general, typically including previous memes. in the context of a scientific field like linguistics or phycology, the first definition makes more sense. in the context of an internet group with no scientific interest, the second is obviously correct. also they always use that excuse when they are posting US politics instead of memes, which is bullshit because there are communities for politics and political memes. dont make off-topic posts, go post it in a community where it is relevant.
Anything humans spread around and share other than our DNA is a meme. The definition of a meme is “non-genetic information shared by any means.”
Behold, a meme:
the word meme gained a second definition on the internet, which is similar to the first but focused on specifically things intended to be funny. because context is a part of language whether you like it or not, that meaning is the one that is being used any time you see the word on the internet unless otherwise specified or unless the context in which you’re seeing it is one where the other is more appropriate (like a discussion about linguistics or the spread of ideas).
I would argue that memes aren’t necessarily meant to be funny. I think the most important component of a meme is its composition, which is usually a square image with optional text. But yeah, I completely agree with your broader points.
because context is a part of language whether you like it or not
The irony of this reasoning is that the things spread as memes you do not think should be called memes because they are not “intended to be funny” are called memes by a vast majority of people on the internet. Making them memes, whether you like it or not.
People holding onto the idea that memes should be defined by their original context are using the same rhetoric as those who insist it’s okay to call cigarettes “fags”
And a tomato is a fruit. It would be stupid to pretend it should be utilised by its definition.
A tomato is a fruit. And all fruit are vegetables, but not all vegetables are fruit.
Sounds like you should crack open a dictionary.
a tomato is a fruit
Yeah, I know. I said that.
a tomato is a vegetable
Never said it wasn’t.
So you weren’t being sarcastic?
No? Have you never heard the analogy: “intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad” ?
Experience tells me cherry tomatoes are great in a fruit salad.
ImMa steal this fam.
Ahahaha.
I was just about to comment this lmaoo
I mean, it is though. A meme is an idea that has been spread, and even if that wasn’t the literal definition of it, people have modified the idea of what a meme was into what it is now. You are simply outnumbered and clinging to an outdated definition.
I think it’s fair to be frustrated when language is forcibly changed by lazy misuse. We are losing words due to declining literacy and trying to push back on that shouldn’t be seen as a worthless effort.
Obviously at some point numbers win over and then we have folks like you who have gotten comfortable using terms incorrectly and arguing that the definition has changed. And it has. But that doesn’t make it a good thing.
I have news for you about the history of every word.
We are losing words due to declining literacy and trying to push back on that shouldn’t be seen as a worthless effort.
But we are inventing new extremely awesome and unimaginably, um, awesome words, like 67, too!
I like to throw this one around on occasion.
Edit: I’m looking through the community now in the past few hours…
A meme is a meme, regardless if it has been screenshot. it is the content not the vessel
but not if it’s a text-only screenshot, like a twitter/tumblr post. the point of the modern “meme” is to be variations on a visual-based theme.
otherwise, it’s just a joke or a comment
I also choose this guys wife is a meme. You done goofed is a meme. Memes aren’t image macros. Any image macro or screenshot from X The EveryThing APP isn’t a meme without some sort of community traction. Funny jpeg aren’t memes and its a vulguar bastardisation to belive them as such.
I am going by the original definition of meme, in which jokes and comments (if shared) are a meme, language is a meme too. otherwise you are just talking about captioning images, which are a type of meme, but saying only those are memes is jut dumb.
a tomato is a fruit, but does it belong in a fruit salad?
the real question is what goes on a salad, I there is no rule that no fruiting bodies are allowed in a salad. yet we also add cheese bacon, chicken and mushrooms to salads. what is your point?
Me: (come here to laugh.)
OP: (taking it real personal and arguing with everyone in the comments)
I didn’t make this meme.
Then let me put it this way:
OP didn’t say that memes can’t be textual in nature, OP complains about snappy Twitter, 4Chan, Reddit (idk about this one? Reddit does have memes in some subs) or similarly sourced screenshots of texts.
Such posts, while possibly humorous, and occasionally a bit funny, are not spread rapidly by Internet users, and rarely posted with any variation.Example 1 - this is a meme:
“Nanomachines, son!”Example 2 - this is not a meme:
I mean, if the screenshot has been shared widely enough, it should be considered a meme by definition.
If the screenshot has been shared widely enough by many different people, yes, it should be considered a meme by definition.
“By many different people” isnt part of either of the above definitions. Also, whats “many?” Whats “different” mean in this context? What is the threshold for a meme to meme? 10 people? 100? 1000?
Richard dawkins coined the term in 1976 and defined it as such:
A meme “conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation”
Seems like a screenshot of text seen by hundred/thousands/millions fits that defention to me.
“Many” may be me editorializing, but “internet people” implies that it’s not just one person posting the same thing in many places around the web and people liking it.
Example 2 is a meme, no doubt about it.
If you go any deeper than the surface-level Google definition (that you are pedantically picking apart), then you will find literally any idea or unit of culture is a meme.
Read the last chapter of Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene. Actually please read the whole book, it’s a masterpiece of science popularization. Or read Susan Blackmore’s The Meme Machine, it explains the concept of memes and how they evolve in further detail.
When everything is a meme, nothing is. That is why often there is a distinction made between the Richarf Dawkins type of meme and the modern internet meme.
When everything is a meme, nothing is
“When everything is made of genes, nothing is”
This is just an assertion, and a false one too.
Everything is a meme, and they behave exactly like genes. They replicate themselves, perfectly or imperfectly, and are then subject to competition for users’ attention which will affect their future replication.
Another meme is attempting to outcompete the screenshot genus of memes, by using you as a propagation tool: the “screenshots of text are not memes” meme.
Edit: downvote me if you want but you can’t deny the facts. The idea I expressed in this comment was also a meme whose chances of propagation were diminished from your downvote.
By your thinking, the letter A on a transparent background is a “meme”
To be fair,
If people post it around, it is.
Care to summarize what those books say that the surface-level Google definition provided to me by Antagonistic doesn’t?
I’m not going to read entire books just to defend my meme against another meme which defends a class of alleged memes.Well the definition is correct, it is Antagonistic’s narrow interpretation of that definition that is incorrect.
The key is evolution. For something to evolve, it must have the ability to be transferred, to be changed/mutated, and to be stored. Both genes and memes have these properties.
Literally any idea is a meme. If you can think it, it’s a meme.
If you break a gene in two, the result is two genes. If you break a meme in two, the result is two memes.
The name “Antagonistic” is a meme. The letter ‘A’ is a meme. The sound you make when you say ‘A’ is a meme. The idea of air vibrating to make sound is a meme.
I didn’t interpret anything. I posted a meme. Also, you misspelled my name if were meaning to mention me.
If any idea is a meme, is any meme an idea, and is there a direct causal relationship or is it a coincidence (or, can there be an idea that is not a meme)?
If so, and if the former, then the definition of “meme” is a synonym of “idea” and that would be that, but I don’t think most people use that definition.Note that I’m somewhat biased, loosely speaking I don’t consider raw microblog quips to fit a community / subreddit / virtual space called “memes”.
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That would mean that everything was a meme. And a definition that encompasses everything is worthless, arguably not even a definition (because nothing is defined).
are not spread rapidly by Internet users, and rarely posted with any variation
Most of the shit on here hasn’t been shared widely or rapidly. They’re at best aspiring memes.
The community should be renamed non-memes. If not, then that community should be created & every non-meme here cross-posted there.
Hahaha, looks like we’re back to arguing about the old No True Memesmen falacy…
Screenshots of text that you don’t like aren’t memes because of reasons
I never said I don’t like the screenshot I referenced, I just looked up for “twitter screenshot” on DDG and took a representative link. I find the content of the screenshot mildly amusing.
However, many people (including me) do not consider those to be memes;
if the most widely recognized definition of the word includes them, then I question its usefulness beyond a synonim for “funny quote”.because of reasons
like definition. words mean things? what nonsense.
Haters gonna hate, but you deserve this.
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Reddit (idk about this one? Reddit does have memes in some subs)
But you are completely right about what I complain about. A meme often contains text, and sometimes even is purely text (for example a popcultural reference in a text-only medium can be considered a meme), but a single (maybe even witty) tweet or a forum discussion without any further context is maybe funny, but not a meme.
Is that an AI-answer?
It’s the dictionary definition
But then you are missing or leaving something out:
You can parody a piece of text. They literally just did it by overlaying wojack on top of the dictionary description.
Most posts here aren’t parodies. They’re just blanket text
Lol, I always love it when people have to split hairs so finely on definitions that they risk fission.
I made this joke elsewhere, but this is basically the No True Memesmen fallacy. The definition of meme includes these pictures, and trying to narrow the definition to exclude them is laughable.
When everything is a meme, nothing is. Ther is no adaptation, no cultural twist, no recontextualisation or any other relevant criteria in a screenshot of text and nothing else.
Ok, so just make up your own word that has the definition you want, or deal with your definition not being the same as others’. Because the definition of meme isn’t as specific as you want it to be.
I see this as no different than the people who argued that image macros aren’t memes.
Because the definition of meme
The Oxford Dictionary’s definition of a meme you meant to say.
For example, Jana Zündel (german article), a german meme researcher, stated that a meme always includes a recontextualisation. The Wiki page lists key characteristics such as intertextuality and cultural evolution.
There is a screenshot from reddit posted here earlier today, do you think that’s a meme? Can you take it, put it in a new context and have it keep its original context as a reference so that the new post would create a new idea building on the context? Or is it just a random story, maybe funny to some?
