I get that this is an attempt at a joke, and I’m sure “it’s not that serious”, but I swear I’m so sick of reading people talk about women’s bodies, especially pregnant women’s bodies. I feel like there was really no need for your comment, as it’s basically just the OP observation, and it really just adds to an undercurrent of sexism/misogyny/objectification I’m seeing online. I doubt that was your intent, and I’m not sure if you personally care, but I just thought I’d mention in case it has any chance of changing the way you or someone else decides to talk about others.
If you want to talk about your own chest or what you do with it, feel free to, but talking about the chest of a work colleague in this context just comes off as gross to me, especially because it’s relating to them being postpartum.
Plenty of things were once considered funny jokes that we now recognize as harmful. Your personal opinion on the humor of their comment is not an actual response to my critique. You don’t need to to do any introspection on my account, but if your reaction to someone saying something is harmful is to defend it by calling it a joke then I would hope you do some introspection on your own account. You don’t have to agree with me, but you’re not really providing a considered response.
I appreciate the non combative tone of your comment, and seemingly good faith engagement.
I do agree that it’s ok and normal to make fun of bodies. I just think we should generally keep that related to our own bodies and our own experiences though, and I believe I indicated as much in my original comment.
If this was “I wish I had this when I returned to the office after giving birth” that would not be a problem at all in my opinion. My issue is the normalization of talking about others bodies. In this example it feels particularly unneeded as it is related to a somewhat intimate situation.
Obviously people are welcome to disagree with where the line should be drawn, but I think these comments should generally stop where your personal body does.
With all due respect, but you sound chronically online. Implying that women that went through pregnancy have bigger chests is neither sexist, misogynist nor objectification of women. And if you think it is, you should really seek professional help or at least talk with people outside your current friend group because you are clearly not well and you are seeing bad things where is absolutely nothing bad to see. This isn’t healthy long term.
I did not suggest that saying pregnancy changes someone physically is any of those things. In fact, I’m not even sure that’s what the commenter was even suggesting. I did say that people should stop talking about other peoples bodies, I specified women, but it’s true generally. Women’s bodies are particularly objectified, and I can’t imagine most women want their coworkers thinking about or talking about their chest at all, postpartum or otherwise.
If someone started talking to me irl about their colleagues chest I would give them a weird look and not engage in the conversation. I don’t know why talking about it online should make it more acceptable.
Also, suggesting someone is chronically online or needs professional help because they are calling out this sort of thing is really not productive. If you disagree and think it’s ok for people to talk about others bodies, that’s your prerogative, but we just have different visions of the society we want to live in. I specifically mentioned that I did not believe they meant it maliciously. There is just a background level societal allowance for this that I think we should do better to work against.
Can you explain what specifically is making you suggest this?
Someone made a comment about their postpartum coworker. I expressed my personal position that we should not be talking about other people’s bodies and that there is an undercurrent of sexism online. I never suggested they were personally sexist.
Are you suggesting that there is no undercurrent of sexism online? Are you stating you support talking about random women’s bodies to strangers?
So many women talk about how the internet and Lemmy specifically are hostile to them. I knew when I posted that it would not be the majority sentiment, and I expected downvotes. I’m surprised that people are openly attaching their username to comments suggesting that the act of expressing my opinion is the problem.
It really feels like your suggestion boils down to “I’m not made uncomfortable by this so you should leave because your opinion doesn’t belong here”.
I get that this is an attempt at a joke, and I’m sure “it’s not that serious”, but I swear I’m so sick of reading people talk about women’s bodies, especially pregnant women’s bodies. I feel like there was really no need for your comment, as it’s basically just the OP observation, and it really just adds to an undercurrent of sexism/misogyny/objectification I’m seeing online. I doubt that was your intent, and I’m not sure if you personally care, but I just thought I’d mention in case it has any chance of changing the way you or someone else decides to talk about others.
If you want to talk about your own chest or what you do with it, feel free to, but talking about the chest of a work colleague in this context just comes off as gross to me, especially because it’s relating to them being postpartum.
It’s just a joke, it was funny.
Plenty of things were once considered funny jokes that we now recognize as harmful. Your personal opinion on the humor of their comment is not an actual response to my critique. You don’t need to to do any introspection on my account, but if your reaction to someone saying something is harmful is to defend it by calling it a joke then I would hope you do some introspection on your own account. You don’t have to agree with me, but you’re not really providing a considered response.
Never say anything that might upset anyone ever
bodies are weird. we need to think, talk, and joke about bodies. this is the way we become comfortable with the shared experience of existence.
making this joke at an office party? possibly inappropriate because its personal making this joke online? fine
I appreciate the non combative tone of your comment, and seemingly good faith engagement.
I do agree that it’s ok and normal to make fun of bodies. I just think we should generally keep that related to our own bodies and our own experiences though, and I believe I indicated as much in my original comment.
If this was “I wish I had this when I returned to the office after giving birth” that would not be a problem at all in my opinion. My issue is the normalization of talking about others bodies. In this example it feels particularly unneeded as it is related to a somewhat intimate situation.
Obviously people are welcome to disagree with where the line should be drawn, but I think these comments should generally stop where your personal body does.
With all due respect, but you sound chronically online. Implying that women that went through pregnancy have bigger chests is neither sexist, misogynist nor objectification of women. And if you think it is, you should really seek professional help or at least talk with people outside your current friend group because you are clearly not well and you are seeing bad things where is absolutely nothing bad to see. This isn’t healthy long term.
Love it. There’s a new one to use.
My favorite is “recreationally upset”.
I did not suggest that saying pregnancy changes someone physically is any of those things. In fact, I’m not even sure that’s what the commenter was even suggesting. I did say that people should stop talking about other peoples bodies, I specified women, but it’s true generally. Women’s bodies are particularly objectified, and I can’t imagine most women want their coworkers thinking about or talking about their chest at all, postpartum or otherwise.
If someone started talking to me irl about their colleagues chest I would give them a weird look and not engage in the conversation. I don’t know why talking about it online should make it more acceptable.
Also, suggesting someone is chronically online or needs professional help because they are calling out this sort of thing is really not productive. If you disagree and think it’s ok for people to talk about others bodies, that’s your prerogative, but we just have different visions of the society we want to live in. I specifically mentioned that I did not believe they meant it maliciously. There is just a background level societal allowance for this that I think we should do better to work against.
Not allowed to talk about bodies? Now that’s some stupid crazy talk.
Seriously, touch grass and think about it.
Good luck!
Sounds like you could really use some time offline.
Can you explain what specifically is making you suggest this?
Someone made a comment about their postpartum coworker. I expressed my personal position that we should not be talking about other people’s bodies and that there is an undercurrent of sexism online. I never suggested they were personally sexist.
Are you suggesting that there is no undercurrent of sexism online? Are you stating you support talking about random women’s bodies to strangers?
So many women talk about how the internet and Lemmy specifically are hostile to them. I knew when I posted that it would not be the majority sentiment, and I expected downvotes. I’m surprised that people are openly attaching their username to comments suggesting that the act of expressing my opinion is the problem.
It really feels like your suggestion boils down to “I’m not made uncomfortable by this so you should leave because your opinion doesn’t belong here”.
Just a hunch.
My son was born in December,if I’d had this I’d have kept that little shit in there another month so I could have waddled around in this.
Thank you for standing up for me.