Literally no. That is what your argument did and still does stand on. Plausibility, not fact. You’ve proven a remote existed.
Okay - so we know there’s a remote. We also know he was reasonably angry at the dog, and we know he reached towards something, then the dog yelped. And you don’t think that’s enough “coincidences” to no longer be a coincidence? Are you just willfully ignorant at this point? Because if that’s the case, any further discussion is indeed futile.
So you admit that I’m correct.
No, I don’t, that’s something you just pulled out of your ass.
You claim things as fact with no evidence
With no direct evidence - yes. There’s a difference between “no direct evidence” and “no evidence at all”. But guess what - if enough coincidences come together, they form evidence. In most murder cases, you never know if the TRULY killed the person, but you have finger prints, you have a lack of an alibi, you have a motive etc. All that comes together as a case. It’s not like if nobody sees you literally putting the knife into the chest, you’re gonna be free.
There’s a lot of things we know happened but aren’t sure. Hell, we don’t know for sure if the 1985 beirut bombing was truly a CIA op, as some later investigations considered. There’s also no actual evidence of trump ACTUALLY fucking kids on epstein island - but (and that’s one of the few things we agree on in this entire discussion) I think that all the coincidences and relations come together and form a pretty conclusive picture.
And I think that in the hassan case, there’s just too much “coincidences” to still be considered coincidence.
My dog has yelped for seeming no reason before. He’s also slipped on a step and yelped before. He’s also gotten his nail stuck on his kennel before and yelped. Again. Inconclusive. We cannot know. But I guess you do with no evidence?
The dog yelping in a vacuum wouldn’t be a problem. Again - it comes together with hassan being angry with his dog AND him reach off screen. That’s what forms the evidence.
You’ve already admitted you’re a bad faith actor. You admitted previously that no matter what Hasan says you will discredit it.
I don’t think I am. I barely knew about the guy before the dog incident, the only time I heard about it was because LTT was building a PC for him lol. But yes, you’re right - I don’t believe the word of the guy because of course he would try to defend himself to save his reputation.
You then try to claim “conclusive” evidence
I think, if we look at the entire situation and how it happened - it’s fairly conclusive.
Then, something would come out, perhaps that the collar is not a shock collar for example
Okay, but where is that “something”. There is no something. He claimed it was a “vibration collar”, which has been debunked already because people found the exact brand of the device he was using, and it’s a shock collar. And there has been no something since.
And attempting to treat claims as verified fact while these remain inconclusive is bad faith.
No, it’s really not. The combination of multiple claims can be evidence, as I’ve stated multiple times by now.
However, tl;dr: I believe the video and the order of events in the video fit to him using a shock collar, you don’t. Any further discussion regarding this topic is just kinda pointless as we’re just going in circles. I will refer to the video, you will say: “Well we don’t know what he did off camera.”. I’m not sure if you are genuinely not sure and you want to give him the benefit of the doubt or you know damn well what he did, but that would make a big supporter of your political agenda look bad.
Whatever you do with this, have a nice rest of the day! :)
I do agree we’re going in circles and you’ve now backtracked significantly from “it’s irrefutable and conclusive, he’s an animal abuser” to “well, there’s a couple of circumstances where maybe this happened.” You went from nothing being inconclusive to a few circumstances that line up. There’s a legal distinction between evidence and circumstantial evidence for a reason.
There is no something. He claimed it was a “vibration collar”, which has been debunked already because people found the exact brand of the device he was using, and it’s a shock collar.
So, one thing which I’ve been hammering on. You’re now saying, again, we unequivocally know the exact model number of the shock collar. A claim without any proof. That’s my point and has been the whole time. People online can claim whatever they want. Sometimes it’s true. Most times it’s not. Meanwhile, we’ve got an entire anti-vax movement based on claims like this. But we also all know Trump is a co-conspirator in the Epstein files. These are circumstantial as you’ve said based on what we have, but I’d lean to the anti-vax level of assertion because we needs lots of assumptions, which is what I’ve been saying.
Again, if you have irrefutable proof of what collar it was, please, share it. A screenshot from Hasan’s stream with the model # visible, etc. (Though that also ignores the Ethan claim of it not being torturous like you claim, being mild at best) I’m sure you’d bring down Hasan at that point, similar to how actually credible accusations finally brought down Graham Platner. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong, but I won’t stand on faulty ground and claim facts based on assumptions. That was my whole point this entire time. And you’re right, based on what’s available, I don’t believe it. You do. That’s fine. I’m just pointing out how incredibly shaky your “irrefutable, evidence based judgement” really is and how you’ve retreated multiple times to more defensible positions.
So, if you’d like to pull out, feel free. My points stand solidly as I haven’t had to retreat this whole time.
Okay - so we know there’s a remote. We also know he was reasonably angry at the dog, and we know he reached towards something, then the dog yelped. And you don’t think that’s enough “coincidences” to no longer be a coincidence? Are you just willfully ignorant at this point? Because if that’s the case, any further discussion is indeed futile.
No, I don’t, that’s something you just pulled out of your ass.
With no direct evidence - yes. There’s a difference between “no direct evidence” and “no evidence at all”. But guess what - if enough coincidences come together, they form evidence. In most murder cases, you never know if the TRULY killed the person, but you have finger prints, you have a lack of an alibi, you have a motive etc. All that comes together as a case. It’s not like if nobody sees you literally putting the knife into the chest, you’re gonna be free.
There’s a lot of things we know happened but aren’t sure. Hell, we don’t know for sure if the 1985 beirut bombing was truly a CIA op, as some later investigations considered. There’s also no actual evidence of trump ACTUALLY fucking kids on epstein island - but (and that’s one of the few things we agree on in this entire discussion) I think that all the coincidences and relations come together and form a pretty conclusive picture.
And I think that in the hassan case, there’s just too much “coincidences” to still be considered coincidence.
The dog yelping in a vacuum wouldn’t be a problem. Again - it comes together with hassan being angry with his dog AND him reach off screen. That’s what forms the evidence.
I don’t think I am. I barely knew about the guy before the dog incident, the only time I heard about it was because LTT was building a PC for him lol. But yes, you’re right - I don’t believe the word of the guy because of course he would try to defend himself to save his reputation.
I think, if we look at the entire situation and how it happened - it’s fairly conclusive.
Okay, but where is that “something”. There is no something. He claimed it was a “vibration collar”, which has been debunked already because people found the exact brand of the device he was using, and it’s a shock collar. And there has been no something since.
No, it’s really not. The combination of multiple claims can be evidence, as I’ve stated multiple times by now.
However, tl;dr: I believe the video and the order of events in the video fit to him using a shock collar, you don’t. Any further discussion regarding this topic is just kinda pointless as we’re just going in circles. I will refer to the video, you will say: “Well we don’t know what he did off camera.”. I’m not sure if you are genuinely not sure and you want to give him the benefit of the doubt or you know damn well what he did, but that would make a big supporter of your political agenda look bad.
Whatever you do with this, have a nice rest of the day! :)
I do agree we’re going in circles and you’ve now backtracked significantly from “it’s irrefutable and conclusive, he’s an animal abuser” to “well, there’s a couple of circumstances where maybe this happened.” You went from nothing being inconclusive to a few circumstances that line up. There’s a legal distinction between evidence and circumstantial evidence for a reason.
So, one thing which I’ve been hammering on. You’re now saying, again, we unequivocally know the exact model number of the shock collar. A claim without any proof. That’s my point and has been the whole time. People online can claim whatever they want. Sometimes it’s true. Most times it’s not. Meanwhile, we’ve got an entire anti-vax movement based on claims like this. But we also all know Trump is a co-conspirator in the Epstein files. These are circumstantial as you’ve said based on what we have, but I’d lean to the anti-vax level of assertion because we needs lots of assumptions, which is what I’ve been saying.
Again, if you have irrefutable proof of what collar it was, please, share it. A screenshot from Hasan’s stream with the model # visible, etc. (Though that also ignores the Ethan claim of it not being torturous like you claim, being mild at best) I’m sure you’d bring down Hasan at that point, similar to how actually credible accusations finally brought down Graham Platner. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong, but I won’t stand on faulty ground and claim facts based on assumptions. That was my whole point this entire time. And you’re right, based on what’s available, I don’t believe it. You do. That’s fine. I’m just pointing out how incredibly shaky your “irrefutable, evidence based judgement” really is and how you’ve retreated multiple times to more defensible positions.
So, if you’d like to pull out, feel free. My points stand solidly as I haven’t had to retreat this whole time.