Idk I saw it more as a criticism of people who use his stutter and other unrelated vulnerabilities and frailties as a defense against valid criticisms of his policies, seen a decent amount of that shit, but I may be interpreting it charitably out of an overabundance of eagerness to bash dems
I’m not defending Biden here as I feel the same. I’m saying our critiques of him should not be alienating to marginalized people.
If your critique is that he’s dumb because he has a stutter, you can apply that to other people with stutters and I don’t think that’s what anyone here wants to do. Biden has distinctly evil qualities in his actions through the years that are better targets than utilizing ableism to critique him.
This is about showing empathy for the people around you who suffer even more within this shit system than most do, it’s not about showing Biden empathy.
I’m honestly always a bit unsure about this topic. From one side I don’t want to generalise and being ableist because:
If your critique is that he’s dumb because he has a stutter
This is objectively wrong and I totally get it. On the other end, we don’t live in a perfect world and to convey some emotion we need to use words that have a baggage or are imperfect. In any case, my personal meter for judging is always the intention and the context, more than the word itself.
Do I think every person who shutters is dumb that’s why I used it on Biden? Of course not.
Do I find hilarious thinking at Biden in a pool of shit having an heart attack and trying to spell “help”? Absolutely yes.
I would have liked the meme more if on the Trump part there was “shits himself”.
It’s the contrast the point, putting a man of power who should project this idea of “alfa” man with the reality of normal human disability. It puts them at our level, where we can bully them.
There’s plenty of legit critiques and things to make fun of both of these people without using ableism. This is like the memes calling Trump and Putin gay, you aren’t hurting your target, you are just further marginalizing normal people who struggle with these issues.
Would it be acceptable to go after Obama by comparing him to a monkey? No. That’s just racist shit and it has no place here.
This is like the memes calling Trump and Putin gay, you aren’t hurting your target, you are just further marginalizing normal people who struggle with these issues.
Can’t say for certain without knowing exactly which memes you’re talking about but the ones I’ve seen are often the opposite. The butt of the joke is their ‘hypermasculinity’, drawing attention to how ridiculous the concept is and thereby trying to destigmatize being gay or at least being more open to ‘gay’ behaviours (e.g. empathy).
There’s also ones where they’re directly accused of being closeted (e.g. Graham) which is a bit more harmful but even then it seems strategically positive in that allies won’t care, and if it gets the hateful ones to turn on them that improves conditions for the vast majority of ordinary lgbtq+ members.
Making fun of Trump and Biden for being genocidal pieces of shit is cool, but making fun of Biden’s stutter is ableist and that’s not ok.
You should edit this meme to remove that portion.
Idk I saw it more as a criticism of people who use his stutter and other unrelated vulnerabilities and frailties as a defense against valid criticisms of his policies, seen a decent amount of that shit, but I may be interpreting it charitably out of an overabundance of eagerness to bash dems
You are right if he was a person, but I don’t pity insects. I hope he gets an heart attack while shitting and dies stuttering asking for help.
I’m not defending Biden here as I feel the same. I’m saying our critiques of him should not be alienating to marginalized people.
If your critique is that he’s dumb because he has a stutter, you can apply that to other people with stutters and I don’t think that’s what anyone here wants to do. Biden has distinctly evil qualities in his actions through the years that are better targets than utilizing ableism to critique him.
This is about showing empathy for the people around you who suffer even more within this shit system than most do, it’s not about showing Biden empathy.
I’m honestly always a bit unsure about this topic. From one side I don’t want to generalise and being ableist because:
This is objectively wrong and I totally get it. On the other end, we don’t live in a perfect world and to convey some emotion we need to use words that have a baggage or are imperfect. In any case, my personal meter for judging is always the intention and the context, more than the word itself.
Do I think every person who shutters is dumb that’s why I used it on Biden? Of course not.
Do I find hilarious thinking at Biden in a pool of shit having an heart attack and trying to spell “help”? Absolutely yes.
I would have liked the meme more if on the Trump part there was “shits himself”.
It’s the contrast the point, putting a man of power who should project this idea of “alfa” man with the reality of normal human disability. It puts them at our level, where we can bully them.
Would you defend Hitler’s addiction issues as well? Time and place, dude.
There’s plenty of legit critiques and things to make fun of both of these people without using ableism. This is like the memes calling Trump and Putin gay, you aren’t hurting your target, you are just further marginalizing normal people who struggle with these issues.
Would it be acceptable to go after Obama by comparing him to a monkey? No. That’s just racist shit and it has no place here.
Do better.
I guess you’re right.
Can’t say for certain without knowing exactly which memes you’re talking about but the ones I’ve seen are often the opposite. The butt of the joke is their ‘hypermasculinity’, drawing attention to how ridiculous the concept is and thereby trying to destigmatize being gay or at least being more open to ‘gay’ behaviours (e.g. empathy).
There’s also ones where they’re directly accused of being closeted (e.g. Graham) which is a bit more harmful but even then it seems strategically positive in that allies won’t care, and if it gets the hateful ones to turn on them that improves conditions for the vast majority of ordinary lgbtq+ members.