Regarding the vocational schools in Xinjiang, framing them as “concentration camps” is ludicrous. Western allegations of genocide didn’t stick due to lack of evidence, and as such the west turned to vague allegations of “human rights abuses.” These allegations are largely dramatized and exaggerated, but still, you can start to put together the lack of credibility. That’s not enough, though, to dismiss. Where did they come from? And why?
Prior to the establishment of de-radicalization programs, western-backed terrorist attacks were common, in order to disrupt the Belt and Road initiative (where Xinjiang is key to expanding westward). These included:
July 5, 2009: The Urumqi Riots resulted in 197 deaths, and 1700 wounded in mass stabbings.
October 28, 2013: Tian’anmen Attack, 5 killed, 40 wouded, when a Jeep was driven directly into crowds.
May 22, 2014: Urumqi Attack, 39 killed, 94 injured as 2 attackers drove cars into crowds and threw explosives at buildings.
And many more. Since the de-radicalization efforts, these attacks have gone down to effectively 0. The reason for these attacks was because Xinjiang is geostrategic for the Belt and Road initiative, which is why the west stoked anti-China sentiment among the Uyghur peoples, funding terrorist groups and separatists. When China responded not with tanks and bombs but with vocational centers and investment in the region, the west pivoted to claims of “genocide,” then walked those claims back to “human rights abuses” when no evidence for genocide materialized.
“General authoritarianism” is a nonsense claim. All states are monopolies on violence. What matters is which class controls the state, not if this or that state has power, as they all do. In China, the proletariat is the ruling class, and they use this authority to direct production and distribution towards pro-social ends. This is because China is a socialist country.
Regarding “tanks running over folk while their out doing their shopping,” this is also nonsense and have no idea what you’re trying to get at. Same with the idea that Chinese citizens cannot watch Winnie the Pooh, he’s an incredibly popular character and is sold everywhere. What was censored were racist caricatures of Xi Jinping.
All in all, it’s abundantly clear just how little you actually understand about China. If you consider yourself on the left, you owe it to yourself to stop regurgitating nonsense about a rising socialist state and instead get to seek truth from facts, so as to not play the role of a convenient fool for western capital.
Can you provide a source to read further into that? Preferably one that isn’t sourcing from Zenz or from RFA (which in turn sources random tweets / “anonymous sources”).
general authoritarianism
What kind of authoritarianism do people in China experience that isn’t done by western governments, either directly or offloaded to the market?
tanks running over folk while their out doing their shopping
How come no photos or videos from one of the most surveilled place of those supposed tanks running over folk has been published to this date? Meanwhile we have hundreds of hours of footage of Palestinians in Gaza filming and publishing them getting genocided on the internet, and that is with Israel having complete control over their infrastructure, including internet access.
not being able to enjoy the antics of Winnie the Pooh
I don’t think many Chinese people would appreciate being called yellow.
not being able to enjoy the antics of Winnie the Pooh.
Winnie the pooh isn’t banned? Outside of Shanghai Disney having an entire Winnie the pooh themed area go to any miniso and there’s literally hundreds of Winnie the pooh plushies and other branded stuff.
you just claimed to be a “woke lefty”, and tho i won’t claim you can’t be from the global south if you say so but currently i’m leaning on you being this
Why not? As a “woke lefty” China is pretty great in my opinion.
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Regarding the vocational schools in Xinjiang, framing them as “concentration camps” is ludicrous. Western allegations of genocide didn’t stick due to lack of evidence, and as such the west turned to vague allegations of “human rights abuses.” These allegations are largely dramatized and exaggerated, but still, you can start to put together the lack of credibility. That’s not enough, though, to dismiss. Where did they come from? And why?
Prior to the establishment of de-radicalization programs, western-backed terrorist attacks were common, in order to disrupt the Belt and Road initiative (where Xinjiang is key to expanding westward). These included:
July 5, 2009: The Urumqi Riots resulted in 197 deaths, and 1700 wounded in mass stabbings.
October 28, 2013: Tian’anmen Attack, 5 killed, 40 wouded, when a Jeep was driven directly into crowds.
March 1, 2014: Kunming Train Station Attack, 31 killed, 141 wounded. 8 jihadists committed mass stabbings.
May 22, 2014: Urumqi Attack, 39 killed, 94 injured as 2 attackers drove cars into crowds and threw explosives at buildings.
And many more. Since the de-radicalization efforts, these attacks have gone down to effectively 0. The reason for these attacks was because Xinjiang is geostrategic for the Belt and Road initiative, which is why the west stoked anti-China sentiment among the Uyghur peoples, funding terrorist groups and separatists. When China responded not with tanks and bombs but with vocational centers and investment in the region, the west pivoted to claims of “genocide,” then walked those claims back to “human rights abuses” when no evidence for genocide materialized.
I recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Qiao Collective also has Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation as well. This is my personal recommendation for a Chinese Marxist perspective.
“General authoritarianism” is a nonsense claim. All states are monopolies on violence. What matters is which class controls the state, not if this or that state has power, as they all do. In China, the proletariat is the ruling class, and they use this authority to direct production and distribution towards pro-social ends. This is because China is a socialist country.
Regarding “tanks running over folk while their out doing their shopping,” this is also nonsense and have no idea what you’re trying to get at. Same with the idea that Chinese citizens cannot watch Winnie the Pooh, he’s an incredibly popular character and is sold everywhere. What was censored were racist caricatures of Xi Jinping.
All in all, it’s abundantly clear just how little you actually understand about China. If you consider yourself on the left, you owe it to yourself to stop regurgitating nonsense about a rising socialist state and instead get to seek truth from facts, so as to not play the role of a convenient fool for western capital.
Can you provide a source to read further into that? Preferably one that isn’t sourcing from Zenz or from RFA (which in turn sources random tweets / “anonymous sources”).
What kind of authoritarianism do people in China experience that isn’t done by western governments, either directly or offloaded to the market?
How come no photos or videos from one of the most surveilled place of those supposed tanks running over folk has been published to this date? Meanwhile we have hundreds of hours of footage of Palestinians in Gaza filming and publishing them getting genocided on the internet, and that is with Israel having complete control over their infrastructure, including internet access.
I don’t think many Chinese people would appreciate being called yellow.
Winnie the pooh isn’t banned? Outside of Shanghai Disney having an entire Winnie the pooh themed area go to any miniso and there’s literally hundreds of Winnie the pooh plushies and other branded stuff.
Lol this is like a young child describing what they think happens at the dentists office, just full on idiot horror fiction
“Winnie the Pooh”
ITT: “western leftist” proves their racist brainworm still alive and well. more at eight.
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you just claimed to be a “woke lefty”, and tho i won’t claim you can’t be from the global south if you say so but currently i’m leaning on you being this
They’re openly from the UK.
So straight up conservative?