if I could just exist in a room with my things and a pet dog forever (or just the rest of my natural life) and never interact with another human being ever again, I would jump at the chance. The social contract I have been forced to participate in merely by being born – one in which I have to pay money to live (read:live normally. yes, you can live off the land off the grid in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, this does not make it a practical solution for everyone and their grandmother), unlike every other living creature on this planet, in a world of adversarial sociopaths controlling 99.9% of said money – I would have chosen not to sign had I had the opportunity. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze, not in this world, not for me in this life.
Absolutely rational take, in my opinion. Social contract has been broken, I feel no obligation at all fulfilling my end of the deal. As far as I’m concerned me and society have separated but still have to live under the same roof, for now.
there’s a reason my username is shortened from the Latin for “I want to leave”. I don’t necessarily want to die, I just don’t want to be here anymore. Unfortunately for us both, leaving society as a whole without dying is rather difficult.
You can, unless your teeth or something else becomes a health problem you can’t fix.
That really is the most important thing stopping me even if there’s but a small chance this will happen.
It’s a game of luck, you could live to 90 if you go to a fertile area without extreme conditions.
I’m sure there’s plenty of those people out there.
You obviously won’t hear them or of them.
And you can get a disease while in society and still die because there is no cure.
2030 could be when a new teeth regrowing medicine comes on the market, have been following this for a few years now.
they should last you for a lifetime
Every other creature lives exactly like you described you don’t want to live: off the land, off grid, in the middle of nowhere.
What you want is all the comforts of society (running potable water, sewage systems, electricity, internet, Uber eats, heating, A/C, firefighters, roads, etc) without any of the obligations.
yeah but it’s almost like those comforts and services of modern society should be able to still be performed without trying to extract value for shareholders and we just choose not to because line go up make (rich) monkey brain happy. I believe there are, in fact, plenty of people willing to do the things that make the world run, completely for free, if only we did not operate on a global system that enriches shareholders, executives and politicians while paying the people doing the actual work a pittance and forcing them to struggle to survive.
And let’s be very clear about what your definition of “obligations to society” is – busting your ass creating value that is extracted from you for ~40 years for comparatively dogshit pay on the tenuous promise of retirement somewhere down the line, a promise that is actively being taken back by the upper class. Now, you work until you die unless you’re very, very lucky. I don’t find that a very compelling or fair deal, and if you do, would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?
to add to what @Kaerkob@lemmy.world said: because here, I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with (blocking certain instances so I don’t see their posts, blocking smartassed trolls, etc.)
Not really, though… There’s all kinds of social rules to follow and if you’re hosting people, while potentially valid, if you at one point just say “alright, everyone out, I’ve had enough” you ruin it for all the people who wanted to hang out.
If you go on a asynchronous anonymous online forum, you can stop interacting at any point for any reason and everyone will be fine with it and not care.
Well, then you don’t invite them to your house, you hang out anywhere else in the world and when you are tired you say “alright, I’m gonna head home, have a good one everyone”. Like a normal person, you know?
It doesn’t matter where you are. When you go to another place it’s the same, you are not at home instantly when you start to leave, you have to ride buses and trains where there is more people.
Would be cool to have the money to afford a car or motorcycle and their respective licenses/insurance/gas/etc.
And walking or bicycling 30+km? Some people don’t have close friends.
And when traveling, in any case, you’re still pretty exposed and have to go around lots of people.
I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, there’s definitely ways to make it easier. But also you seem to just not be aware how different some people’s perceptions/feelings are.
I’m not sure what you’re arguing for here, you really can’t be arguing against online interactions being muuuuch easier, that seems to just be obvious. And some people can only handle these easiest kinds of interactions.
Even if you make other kinds interactions easier, that’s just not enough for some people. Then, internet interactions are amazing.
I want to leave just like volore. However I don’t want to die and I don’t want to hurt those I love by dying. I read and post as a distraction from all of this ridiculousness that I cannot change.
My point being - the fact that you are posting on here, a social media site, filled with people, is proof positive that you do not actually want to live a completely isolated life.
If you actually wanted a life without people, you would also be giving up pretty much everything on the internet, as well as all books, movies, tv, and music, as these are also forms of interacting with people.
Missing the whooooole fucking point. Nobody here says they don’t want to ever interact with humans again. GTFO with that “uhh actually technically you are wrong løl” bullshit, these are definitely valid takes for people to have on modern society, shit, they’re in abundant company.
This is true. I do not want to exist in a room with my things and my dog. I was agreeing with the second part of Volore’s statement. I find enjoyment where I can, but most of the time there’s that feeling of I want to leave.
if I could just exist in a room with my things and a pet dog forever (or just the rest of my natural life) and never interact with another human being ever again, I would jump at the chance. The social contract I have been forced to participate in merely by being born – one in which I have to pay money to live (read: live normally. yes, you can live off the land off the grid in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, this does not make it a practical solution for everyone and their grandmother), unlike every other living creature on this planet, in a world of adversarial sociopaths controlling 99.9% of said money – I would have chosen not to sign had I had the opportunity. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze, not in this world, not for me in this life.
Absolutely rational take, in my opinion. Social contract has been broken, I feel no obligation at all fulfilling my end of the deal. As far as I’m concerned me and society have separated but still have to live under the same roof, for now.
You’ve pretty much described my life. Mostly just me and my dogs. But I do still have to leave sometimes. :(
there’s a reason my username is shortened from the Latin for “I want to leave”. I don’t necessarily want to die, I just don’t want to be here anymore. Unfortunately for us both, leaving society as a whole without dying is rather difficult.
“Stop the world, I wanna get off,” is one of my favorite phrases.
Lately, I’ve been rationalizing it as “I don’t want to die, I want to WANT to live.”
Still figuring out how to make it happen, but at least now I’ve got a catchy slogan for it
I feel like one of those Chinese bears they keep in concrete cages to milk for bile.
Therapy and a more positive outlook on life is not gonna solve my problems.
You can, unless your teeth or something else becomes a health problem you can’t fix.
That really is the most important thing stopping me even if there’s but a small chance this will happen.
It’s a game of luck, you could live to 90 if you go to a fertile area without extreme conditions.
I’m sure there’s plenty of those people out there.
You obviously won’t hear them or of them.
And you can get a disease while in society and still die because there is no cure.
✨ they already are ✨
2030 could be when a new teeth regrowing medicine comes on the market, have been following this for a few years now.
they should last you for a lifetime
Every other creature lives exactly like you described you don’t want to live: off the land, off grid, in the middle of nowhere.
What you want is all the comforts of society (running potable water, sewage systems, electricity, internet, Uber eats, heating, A/C, firefighters, roads, etc) without any of the obligations.
The winderness is out there, be free!
yeah but it’s almost like those comforts and services of modern society should be able to still be performed without trying to extract value for shareholders and we just choose not to because line go up make (rich) monkey brain happy. I believe there are, in fact, plenty of people willing to do the things that make the world run, completely for free, if only we did not operate on a global system that enriches shareholders, executives and politicians while paying the people doing the actual work a pittance and forcing them to struggle to survive.
And let’s be very clear about what your definition of “obligations to society” is – busting your ass creating value that is extracted from you for ~40 years for comparatively dogshit pay on the tenuous promise of retirement somewhere down the line, a promise that is actively being taken back by the upper class. Now, you work until you die unless you’re very, very lucky. I don’t find that a very compelling or fair deal, and if you do, would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?
Last I checked, water systems, sewage, roads, schools, firefighters, etc are not owned by capitalists/billionaires/whoever your enemy is.
Rome had some of those. The Soviet union had those. North Korea has those.
If your problem is with capitalism, don’t blame “society”, just move to one of the communist paradises out there.
Yeah you should go live in the bush for a few years. Your mind has been cooked by populism.
and you have stockholm syndrome for capitalism, but I forgive you.
What economic system do you prefer?
Animals live off the grid in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
If this is true, why are you here on lemmy, leaving comments and interacting with society?
to add to what @Kaerkob@lemmy.world said: because here, I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with (blocking certain instances so I don’t see their posts, blocking smartassed trolls, etc.)
I love this comic so fucking much, it perfectly encapsulates that dude, his ilk, and their mentality.
You just described hanging out with friends
Not really, though… There’s all kinds of social rules to follow and if you’re hosting people, while potentially valid, if you at one point just say “alright, everyone out, I’ve had enough” you ruin it for all the people who wanted to hang out.
If you go on a asynchronous anonymous online forum, you can stop interacting at any point for any reason and everyone will be fine with it and not care.
Well, then you don’t invite them to your house, you hang out anywhere else in the world and when you are tired you say “alright, I’m gonna head home, have a good one everyone”. Like a normal person, you know?
Let’s just be normal real quick :D
It doesn’t matter where you are. When you go to another place it’s the same, you are not at home instantly when you start to leave, you have to ride buses and trains where there is more people.
Or you have to get onto a road full of people who should never have been allowed to get a license.
Or drive a car, or motorbike, or bicycle, or you walk. With noise canceling headphones.
Would be cool to have the money to afford a car or motorcycle and their respective licenses/insurance/gas/etc.
And walking or bicycling 30+km? Some people don’t have close friends.
And when traveling, in any case, you’re still pretty exposed and have to go around lots of people.
I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, there’s definitely ways to make it easier. But also you seem to just not be aware how different some people’s perceptions/feelings are.
I’m not sure what you’re arguing for here, you really can’t be arguing against online interactions being muuuuch easier, that seems to just be obvious. And some people can only handle these easiest kinds of interactions.
Even if you make other kinds interactions easier, that’s just not enough for some people. Then, internet interactions are amazing.
I want to leave just like volore. However I don’t want to die and I don’t want to hurt those I love by dying. I read and post as a distraction from all of this ridiculousness that I cannot change.
My point being - the fact that you are posting on here, a social media site, filled with people, is proof positive that you do not actually want to live a completely isolated life.
If you actually wanted a life without people, you would also be giving up pretty much everything on the internet, as well as all books, movies, tv, and music, as these are also forms of interacting with people.
Missing the whooooole fucking point. Nobody here says they don’t want to ever interact with humans again. GTFO with that “uhh actually technically you are wrong løl” bullshit, these are definitely valid takes for people to have on modern society, shit, they’re in abundant company.
This is true. I do not want to exist in a room with my things and my dog. I was agreeing with the second part of Volore’s statement. I find enjoyment where I can, but most of the time there’s that feeling of I want to leave.
Another one who thinks he’s going to die without society?!
That’s me your honor. (⌐■_■)