We don’t think the world sees us as the Avengers anymore. At this point things are so bad here we’ve stopped thinking (which is different than not caring) about how the world thinks of us. For fuck’s sake our president started a war when we weren’t looking. It’s like riding in a bus the size of a football field being driven by a drunk, that’s what living in America is like.
My point is that we’re so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can’t start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises. We had military occupations in our cities which have been forgotten because that was half a dozen scandals ago.
Personally I’ve been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
My point is that we’re so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can’t start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises.
You didn’t do that under previous presidents either.
Personally I’ve been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
Damn, truly nobody has been more mistreated by the US Empire than you. I’m sure the people Gaza would be horrified if they only knew.
Now there is a war.
And apparently it would be ok if it wasn’t started behind your back?
He’s not asking for your pity, or mine. He’s explaining why he and many other Americans are feeling helpless and are finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.
Interstingly sanctions had this same effect on the Iranian middle class. No way to revolt and replace the government when your rent is double your income.
finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.
A major part of it is because those who do mount any kind of actual resistance that has any potential for being effective, they get murdered and disappeared. E.g. Black Panthers, or the original leadership of BLM before it was coopted by liberals. Any genuine leftism in the US has been effectively eradicated by outright murder, intense anticommunist propaganda campaigns (targeting every segment of society from elementary schools to popular media control to even workers unions themselves), and direct infiltration and dismantling of leftist organizations of any size. This society is practically built around a pathological individualism that neuters any potential for mass action. Our culture has been cultivated to only accept rightward expressions of political dissatisfaction, with no room for or even basic understanding of leftwing organization.
That comment was not about “quantification of suffering,” it was pointing out that untold suffering was already being caused by the US and its war criminal presidents before the most recent one was in office. Yet so many only seemed to notice when it started effecting them personally. Which isn’t surprising, but when Americans who previously just went about their privileged lives up until Trump came along talk as if this juggernaut of misery, cruelty, and death is only a recent thing, that’s very demeaning to the millions who have bore the brunt of that cruelty for decades. It is also frankly chauvanistic. It is very inappropriate to write that off as “quantification of suffering” but it sounds like you just have a beef with the .ml instance.
Fair, not the instance in general, but certain bad actors among you. I still see it as dismissial of suffering through comparison. Not a valid play in my book.
I think something most of the outside world doesn’t understand about the USA, there are very few “us” unless you’re conservative. It’s a hyper individualistic society in an extremely large geographic area. The idea of collective anything is a foreign concept to me and I’m literally in a work union for the first time in my life for the worst job I’ve ever had. Unless my current Union is ok with the strike I can’t afford to skip work. If I didn’t have a union then the striking would be completely out of the question. I’ve been let go from jobs at the drop of a hat growing up in a “right to work state”. There isn’t a social safety net and my neighbors are completely ok with me becoming homeless. People who get to protest I’ve viewed as being privileged beyond my means. Community here is for the privileged and I’m scraping by to survive.
I can lose my life. I can lose my health. I can lose my freedom. All those things could happen with a high chance of failure without anything changing. In fact I could make the situation worse. The failed assassination attempt on Trump boosted his poll numbers and contributed to his victory and his paranoia.
It’s very easy for people like you to tell me to sacrifice, but people like you will never help me.
Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we will discuss what I’m freed up to do to help the world.
Get someone over here to give me a full time job.
Or sponsor me to move wherever you are. Have a job ready for me when I get there. I got PMP, PMI-ACP, and PSM I certifications along with AWS certifications. I need either a source of income that can support me without firing me for protesting or a way out after I do whatever you want done.
Or I will do my best to divest myself from anything that involves the American economy. By starving your economy, it has less money to make military equipment, and therefore to enforce evil wars.
We don’t think the world sees us as the Avengers anymore. At this point things are so bad here we’ve stopped thinking (which is different than not caring) about how the world thinks of us. For fuck’s sake our president started a war when we weren’t looking. It’s like riding in a bus the size of a football field being driven by a drunk, that’s what living in America is like.
But you’d be fine with it if he did it while you were looking, of course
My point is that we’re so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can’t start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises. We had military occupations in our cities which have been forgotten because that was half a dozen scandals ago.
Personally I’ve been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
Now there is a war. I’m going hungry.
You didn’t do that under previous presidents either.
Damn, truly nobody has been more mistreated by the US Empire than you. I’m sure the people Gaza would be horrified if they only knew.
And apparently it would be ok if it wasn’t started behind your back?
He’s not asking for your pity, or mine. He’s explaining why he and many other Americans are feeling helpless and are finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.
Interstingly sanctions had this same effect on the Iranian middle class. No way to revolt and replace the government when your rent is double your income.
He’s trying to pretend that the US was any better before Trump was elected
A major part of it is because those who do mount any kind of actual resistance that has any potential for being effective, they get murdered and disappeared. E.g. Black Panthers, or the original leadership of BLM before it was coopted by liberals. Any genuine leftism in the US has been effectively eradicated by outright murder, intense anticommunist propaganda campaigns (targeting every segment of society from elementary schools to popular media control to even workers unions themselves), and direct infiltration and dismantling of leftist organizations of any size. This society is practically built around a pathological individualism that neuters any potential for mass action. Our culture has been cultivated to only accept rightward expressions of political dissatisfaction, with no room for or even basic understanding of leftwing organization.
Ahh yes. Quantification of suffering to dismiss it as invalid. The ol’ .ml classic.
That comment was not about “quantification of suffering,” it was pointing out that untold suffering was already being caused by the US and its war criminal presidents before the most recent one was in office. Yet so many only seemed to notice when it started effecting them personally. Which isn’t surprising, but when Americans who previously just went about their privileged lives up until Trump came along talk as if this juggernaut of misery, cruelty, and death is only a recent thing, that’s very demeaning to the millions who have bore the brunt of that cruelty for decades. It is also frankly chauvanistic. It is very inappropriate to write that off as “quantification of suffering” but it sounds like you just have a beef with the .ml instance.
Fair, not the instance in general, but certain bad actors among you. I still see it as dismissial of suffering through comparison. Not a valid play in my book.
This isn’t debate club, nobody cares what’s in your book
Go back to Reddit
Nah
Edit: plus, we already had this discussion elsewhere in the thread.
You’d be happier among your own kind
You people are obsessed
?
🙄
“when we weren’t looking” sounds like a cop out
We were looking, just not there. There was literally no preamble to this war, Iran wasn’t even in the news.
Graham senator guy has been goading for a war with Iran since 2010 or even earlier
I believe the preamble was when we elected a pedo, and then news came out that, SURRPISE! He’s a pedo.
Not like every other administration was harassing them and trying to goad them into war.
What do you mean anymore? Have a look at Wikipedia. They are the asshole neighbours for many decades.
Russians be like: wow that never happened and here we go again…
More of you could have gone out to vote against him. More of you could go to more than a one day protest once every few months.
Make May 1st your general nationwide strike with more people than the pitiful efforts that have been seen at this point.
We’ve been protesting weekly here in MN.
Every day, all day, clog the arteries of industry.
Let’s go! 55 weeks in a row now here.
the us has been doing shit like this for decades. trump simply just made it obvious.
I think something most of the outside world doesn’t understand about the USA, there are very few “us” unless you’re conservative. It’s a hyper individualistic society in an extremely large geographic area. The idea of collective anything is a foreign concept to me and I’m literally in a work union for the first time in my life for the worst job I’ve ever had. Unless my current Union is ok with the strike I can’t afford to skip work. If I didn’t have a union then the striking would be completely out of the question. I’ve been let go from jobs at the drop of a hat growing up in a “right to work state”. There isn’t a social safety net and my neighbors are completely ok with me becoming homeless. People who get to protest I’ve viewed as being privileged beyond my means. Community here is for the privileged and I’m scraping by to survive.
Then you have nothing to lose, except what little freedom you have left to continue this endless suffering of hand to mouth bullshit.
I can lose my life. I can lose my health. I can lose my freedom. All those things could happen with a high chance of failure without anything changing. In fact I could make the situation worse. The failed assassination attempt on Trump boosted his poll numbers and contributed to his victory and his paranoia.
It’s very easy for people like you to tell me to sacrifice, but people like you will never help me.
Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we will discuss what I’m freed up to do to help the world.
Not beating the stereotype
How can I help, not being a US citizen?
Get someone over here to give me a full time job. Or sponsor me to move wherever you are. Have a job ready for me when I get there. I got PMP, PMI-ACP, and PSM I certifications along with AWS certifications. I need either a source of income that can support me without firing me for protesting or a way out after I do whatever you want done.
Or I will do my best to divest myself from anything that involves the American economy. By starving your economy, it has less money to make military equipment, and therefore to enforce evil wars.
There it is. It’s so easy to do nothing. You’re very much like “us”.
You say this like it was any better before Trump
Most of the people commenting here were probably children before trump. What did you want the children to do?
Realise that it wasn’t better before Trump
It was more important to teach the democrats a lesson than stop literal fascism for a non-zero portion of us, unfortunately.
For the democrats, it was more important to continue literal fascism and teach the left a lesson than to win.
What did kamala mean when she swore to make the military the most lethal force on the planet and every democrat in the room cheered?
The Democrats were literal fascism, genocide apologist