• takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 hours ago

    Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…

    Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

    Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

    Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.

    Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …

    Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.

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      Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.

      Source: I am Turkish.

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        Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.

        Turanism, also known as Turanianism, pan-Turanism or pan-Turanianism, is a pan-nationalist political movement built around pseudoscientific claims of biological and linguistic connections between various ethnic groups of Eurasia. It revolves around the abandoned proposal of a Ural-Altaic language family, which hypothesizes that the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Uralic peoples share Inner and Central Asian origins and therefore close cultural, ethnic, and linguistic bonds. Supporters of Turanism propose political unity among these groups, chiefly to oppose the cultural and political influences of the Indo-Europeans of Europe, West Asia, and South Asia, as well as the Sino-Tibetans of East Asia. The movement emerged in the 19th century to counter pan-nationalist ideologies such as pan-Germanism, and built upon the ideas of pan-Slavism (e.g. the idea of a “Turanian brotherhood and collaboration” was borrowed from the pan-Slavic concept of “Slavic brotherhood and collaboration”).

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          Come to Turkey, it is very popular among our nationalists (about 60% of the population), because Atatürk said it is real.

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      Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?

      Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.

      And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?

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      Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.