Are people really praising this? I guess fuck the engineers who did a traffic study, and fuck the school children walking in that area from 7-7:30 I guess.
absolutely… all the people praising this, like… those signs exist for traffic flow and safety… it’s so incredibly selfish to just say fuck everyone else, i need to turn right and even more selfish to avoid repercussions but making it “okay” for everyone else
maybe the sign was wrong, sure… but we don’t have that information… without more information, it’s an incredibly selfish act. dude has main character syndrome
Did you just invent a school zone to make an argument? What would the hypothetical civil engineers have to say after running countless hours of simulations on imagined children?
You’re right, illegally changing a public sign on a public road in order to make your own commute marginally shorter is absolutely just totally cool, and you would know because you “work for the government”.
Never said it was cool. It’s not cool to make shit up to support an argument.
I worked for the government. I had a six month contract with Department of Justice on the massive influx of files shortly after red light cameras went up in our area. I filed traffic tickets, too.
One file that stuck with me was a commuter who accrued multiple speeding tickets over a few days in an area I knew well, because it transitioned from the highway to a residential area in like, no time, and the RCMP had set up a speed trap before the new speed sign. It’s not clear it’s residential because it’s a forest on one side and a huge hill between the road and the houses. He went to court to ask for a sign to be put up closer to the highway or the speed trap to be moved up the road. They didn’t do either.
It’s nice to see a few folks pushing back. This whole thing has the narrative of the ol’ incompetent state with its endless red tape and arbitrary nonsense!
Sometimes those things are true and it can be a pain, but it’s the same reason we don’t go out for vigilante justice. It wasn’t arbitrarily installed and no one noticed it because there’s no reason to check things like that.
There’s totally a reason to check things like that. If there were any accidents or reports of issues it would be investigated. If it was a common hazard, cops might even set up a trap to catch cars making illegal turns.
We have no idea why the sign was the way it was. They gave us no background. So I’m biased against the sign changer until given a good argument as to why it was acceptable.
Which government? Makes a big difference since some other better than others.
I’m not saying OOP definitely had no legitimate reason to change the sign, but without knowing, we can’t assume they did either.
The fact they made no mention of it, leads me to suspect it was mostly for their personal convenience.
Also, government = inefficient is some neo-lib propaganda I can’t tolerate. Any organisation can be inefficient (so, so, so many examples of this in the private sector), and governments can and must be set up to be well-run. The alternative is the privatised neo-lib hellscape we (countries in general) continue to not fix.
Uh… all I said was that I worked for the government. You’re just making up your own little world over there, aren’t you?
This argument is moot since I can’t anticipate everything you’re gonna think up in imagination land. Kinda hard to argue against things no one said.
to be fair on traffic engineers timing lights we have verifiable proof that sometimes adding roads can actually increase taffic (and that removing them can decrease it) And this information is not always taken into account on a high level so they get stuck trying to fix an innately flawed system.
I’m willing to hear you out. Your evidence for the sign being “wrong” is that it wasn’t discovered? Do you think that city workers would check to make sure the sign still said 07:00 and not 07:30? Why in the world would they check things like this?
Imagine you take out a good made stop sign. You’d probably have a lot of crashes in a short period of time and soon it would be discovered that something is wrong.
Apparently it hasn’t happened, so it doesn’t seem to be causing a lot of trouble.
The sign is there for a reason. If after modification that reason has not manifest itself, most likely the modification is within the margin of what the people who is regulating traffic want to happen.
Not everything needs to be on the same scale of safety. I’m not saying that this particular rule was 100% perfect, just that it’s not up to individuals to undermine them arbitrarily, and just because no one noticed in ten years does not mean that it was ok to do it.
I’m glad it’s not causing a lot of trouble anyway…
Ok cool so I guess OP is a civil engineer with a Professional Engineer license then, and got a resolution from the city/town’s governing board giving them permission to change it. And they publicly bid the project to certified contractors.
You’re right, OP’s ability to marginally shorten their commute is more important than public safety, and the times indicated on those signs are completely chosen at random so it doesn’t matter anyway.
Are people really praising this? I guess fuck the engineers who did a traffic study, and fuck the school children walking in that area from 7-7:30 I guess.
absolutely… all the people praising this, like… those signs exist for traffic flow and safety… it’s so incredibly selfish to just say fuck everyone else, i need to turn right and even more selfish to avoid repercussions but making it “okay” for everyone else
maybe the sign was wrong, sure… but we don’t have that information… without more information, it’s an incredibly selfish act. dude has main character syndrome
Did you just invent a school zone to make an argument? What would the hypothetical civil engineers have to say after running countless hours of simulations on imagined children?
You’re right, illegally changing a public sign on a public road in order to make your own commute marginally shorter is absolutely just totally cool, and you would know because you “work for the government”.
Never said it was cool. It’s not cool to make shit up to support an argument.
I worked for the government. I had a six month contract with Department of Justice on the massive influx of files shortly after red light cameras went up in our area. I filed traffic tickets, too.
One file that stuck with me was a commuter who accrued multiple speeding tickets over a few days in an area I knew well, because it transitioned from the highway to a residential area in like, no time, and the RCMP had set up a speed trap before the new speed sign. It’s not clear it’s residential because it’s a forest on one side and a huge hill between the road and the houses. He went to court to ask for a sign to be put up closer to the highway or the speed trap to be moved up the road. They didn’t do either.
It’s nice to see a few folks pushing back. This whole thing has the narrative of the ol’ incompetent state with its endless red tape and arbitrary nonsense!
Sometimes those things are true and it can be a pain, but it’s the same reason we don’t go out for vigilante justice. It wasn’t arbitrarily installed and no one noticed it because there’s no reason to check things like that.
There’s totally a reason to check things like that. If there were any accidents or reports of issues it would be investigated. If it was a common hazard, cops might even set up a trap to catch cars making illegal turns.
We have no idea why the sign was the way it was. They gave us no background. So I’m biased against the sign changer until given a good argument as to why it was acceptable.
I’m biased because I’ve worked for the government.
Which government? Makes a big difference since some other better than others.
I’m not saying OOP definitely had no legitimate reason to change the sign, but without knowing, we can’t assume they did either.
The fact they made no mention of it, leads me to suspect it was mostly for their personal convenience.
Also, government = inefficient is some neo-lib propaganda I can’t tolerate. Any organisation can be inefficient (so, so, so many examples of this in the private sector), and governments can and must be set up to be well-run. The alternative is the privatised neo-lib hellscape we (countries in general) continue to not fix.
Fucking lol
Uh… all I said was that I worked for the government. You’re just making up your own little world over there, aren’t you? This argument is moot since I can’t anticipate everything you’re gonna think up in imagination land. Kinda hard to argue against things no one said.
They used lib pejoratively, they already live in their head.
From your username I can tell you’re a person of facts.
The lib thing is such a weird lemmy meme. Like tankies, they’re responsible for everything wrong in the feed.
Just because a traffic engineer has qualifications doesn’t necessarily guarantee they’re not an asshole who is wrong and also sucks.
to be fair on traffic engineers timing lights we have verifiable proof that sometimes adding roads can actually increase taffic (and that removing them can decrease it) And this information is not always taken into account on a high level so they get stuck trying to fix an innately flawed system.
Title text is great
Or, hear me out, maybe the sign was just wrong. If they haven’t catch up in almost a year that was probably the case.
I’m willing to hear you out. Your evidence for the sign being “wrong” is that it wasn’t discovered? Do you think that city workers would check to make sure the sign still said 07:00 and not 07:30? Why in the world would they check things like this?
Imagine you take out a good made stop sign. You’d probably have a lot of crashes in a short period of time and soon it would be discovered that something is wrong.
Apparently it hasn’t happened, so it doesn’t seem to be causing a lot of trouble.
The sign is there for a reason. If after modification that reason has not manifest itself, most likely the modification is within the margin of what the people who is regulating traffic want to happen.
Not everything needs to be on the same scale of safety. I’m not saying that this particular rule was 100% perfect, just that it’s not up to individuals to undermine them arbitrarily, and just because no one noticed in ten years does not mean that it was ok to do it.
I’m glad it’s not causing a lot of trouble anyway…
Ok cool so I guess OP is a civil engineer with a Professional Engineer license then, and got a resolution from the city/town’s governing board giving them permission to change it. And they publicly bid the project to certified contractors.
Oh wait no, none of that happened
Won’t someone please think of the children 😭
You’re right, OP’s ability to marginally shorten their commute is more important than public safety, and the times indicated on those signs are completely chosen at random so it doesn’t matter anyway.
Good point.
How is life like being a lawful good little paladin? I break rules that don’t apply to me. This guy seems to have broken rules that apply to no one.
You’re the guy saying the victim should have complied with the cop that murdered him.