It don’t though, it just rises the price of energy because the gas still flows, even more than before, just from USA, Norway and yes, sill Russia, even more of it, but through middlemen. The sabotage also caused significant ecological catastrophe in the Baltic.
About the sabotage itself you have three versions available:
Truth, that USA bombed it, possibly with participation of Norway (note above paragraph, curiously the very same countries that gained the most on it, qui bono, eh?)
USA version, where Ukraine did it, despite lacking means
Official German/EU version, that is no version, because both above versions means that Germany is either vassal (ver1) or war ally (ver2) of country which attacked Germany in a biggest peacetime sabotage in German history.
It made it painfully clear to the public opinion how much society relies on gas.
Unfortunately the general public doesn’t understand long term reasoning: nor climate change, nor energy independence. If it doesn’t happen right now, it’s ignored by most people. The high spike in price worked really well to open a debate to support more renewables or nuclear power.
Consider that even now, after all that happened, the EU has a noisy minority trying to shoot down alternatives to gas.
FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US”. Besides marginal sympathy for some presidents or over the top ridiculous facts, US politics is not that visible or interesting here.
In seiner Stellungnahme gegenüber „t-online.de“ führte Reimer weiter aus, dass er Brosius-Gersdorf, deren Wahl vor einer Woche aufgrund mangelnder Unterstützung innerhalb der Unionsfraktion ausgesetzt worden war, als Aktivistin wahrnehme, „die über eine Neuinterpretation des Grundgesetzes ein deutsches ,Roe v. Wade‘ erreichen will“. Darin sehe er einen „Bruch mit der gesamten bisherigen Rechtsprechung des Bundesverfassungsgerichts zu Art. 2 Abs. 2 GG“. Jener Artikel besagt: „Jeder hat das Recht auf Leben und körperliche Unversehrtheit. Die Freiheit der Person ist unverletzlich. In diese Rechte darf nur auf Grund eines Gesetzes eingegriffen werden.“
Was there a serial or a movie about it? I can’t imagine how people in the EU would know about that stuff (unless interested in the matter for specific reasons)
You literally just said that it was because of Republicans that the EU soured on the US and now you’re telling me that in the EU you don’t look at which party is in charge but at the US as a whole. Do you not see how these statements are contradictory?
Ok? The significance of the clip I posted was not that it was Biden saying it but what he said he would do (and very likely did). Why did that prompt you say, “FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US?””
The reason I posted that clip was to establish the reason why I believe the US blew up the pipeline. Yes, it happens to be Biden in that clip, but you’re the one who started talking about distinguishing between Trump and Biden and then about not distinguishing between Trump and Biden. I’m just talking about the US.
The only thing I can think of is that you’re trying to preemptively shift the NordStream thing away from Biden and onto the US in general as a way of deflecting blame from Biden. But again, I just brought it up to establish US policy on NordStream, not specifically to bash Biden. If it’s not that, then I just straight up don’t understand you at all.
Why would I want to deflect blame from Biden? I’m telling you that I’m a European and I don’t care who’s in charge in the US or which president did what. Do you know or care about who is in charge in the EU?
Current US politics, that happens to be Trump’s, is hostile to us and it is alienating the European sympathies. There will be a little nuance in EU response to Trump’s tariff to damage red states more than blue states, but for most people it will be a big f-off to US as a whole.
About the Nordstream I don’t know what to believe because that sabotage was very convenient for every part, also within the EU, and I’d rather have no opinion than a wrong one.
I don’t know what to believe about Nordstream, but I’m not even mad if that accelerates the transition out of fossil fuel.
It don’t though, it just rises the price of energy because the gas still flows, even more than before, just from USA, Norway and yes, sill Russia, even more of it, but through middlemen. The sabotage also caused significant ecological catastrophe in the Baltic.
About the sabotage itself you have three versions available:
It made it painfully clear to the public opinion how much society relies on gas.
Unfortunately the general public doesn’t understand long term reasoning: nor climate change, nor energy independence. If it doesn’t happen right now, it’s ignored by most people. The high spike in price worked really well to open a debate to support more renewables or nuclear power.
Consider that even now, after all that happened, the EU has a noisy minority trying to shoot down alternatives to gas.
https://youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM
FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US”. Besides marginal sympathy for some presidents or over the top ridiculous facts, US politics is not that visible or interesting here.
Bullshit. German politics is riddled with the same talking points as the US. Just today i read a german article talking about a “german roe v wade”
Of course, also in the EU there are far right groups like ECR and Patriots. It doesn’t mean that they rule though.
BTW, I struggle to imagine Germans discussing certain topics using American terms.
Isn’t Germany pro-genocide across the political spectrum?
https://www.die-tagespost.de/politik/katholischer-rechtswissenschaftler-ergaenzte-brosius-gersdorfs-wikipedia-eintrag-um-passage-zum-lebensschutz-art-265468
Indeed maybe the readers of a catholic newspaper are obsessed enough with abortion to know the reference.
Everyone I know, knows what Roe v Wade is…
Was there a serial or a movie about it? I can’t imagine how people in the EU would know about that stuff (unless interested in the matter for specific reasons)
What?
What what?
You literally just said that it was because of Republicans that the EU soured on the US and now you’re telling me that in the EU you don’t look at which party is in charge but at the US as a whole. Do you not see how these statements are contradictory?
There is no contradiction. The relationship is not worse because republicans are in charge but because of what they decided.
Ok? The significance of the clip I posted was not that it was Biden saying it but what he said he would do (and very likely did). Why did that prompt you say, “FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US?””
The reason I posted that clip was to establish the reason why I believe the US blew up the pipeline. Yes, it happens to be Biden in that clip, but you’re the one who started talking about distinguishing between Trump and Biden and then about not distinguishing between Trump and Biden. I’m just talking about the US.
The only thing I can think of is that you’re trying to preemptively shift the NordStream thing away from Biden and onto the US in general as a way of deflecting blame from Biden. But again, I just brought it up to establish US policy on NordStream, not specifically to bash Biden. If it’s not that, then I just straight up don’t understand you at all.
Why would I want to deflect blame from Biden? I’m telling you that I’m a European and I don’t care who’s in charge in the US or which president did what. Do you know or care about who is in charge in the EU?
Current US politics, that happens to be Trump’s, is hostile to us and it is alienating the European sympathies. There will be a little nuance in EU response to Trump’s tariff to damage red states more than blue states, but for most people it will be a big f-off to US as a whole.
About the Nordstream I don’t know what to believe because that sabotage was very convenient for every part, also within the EU, and I’d rather have no opinion than a wrong one.