I appreciate the message. Yeah I was just curious how long it would go but I got tired.

I’m guessing you don’t know the speaker. Saying something is BS just because it’s on YouTube is interesting. What if it was a lecture by Terrence Tao on YouTube? Also just for argument sake, there’s lots of ideas taken pretty seriously in physics that aren’t directly testable, honestly border more on philosophy. Even simple things like what exactly is time, does all of spacetime exist at once as Einstein thought and so on.

I don’t agree with you which is fine. Also for the record, I’m not from nor have I ever lived in San Francisco but you’re free to believe whatever makes you comfortable. I think you have some other version of my ideas. Like we’re not even really having a discussion, it’s more so you’re battling with what you think I am saying than us actually having discourse. Anyways, seems like you’re going to keep being unpleasant so I’m exiting the discussion.

You’re welcome to your opinions. I mean yeah it’s definitely an idea and from a scientific mindset we can use it to make predictions and see if those predictions are accurate to see if the idea is accurately modeling reality or not. The amount of novel events seems doable to define and attempt a measurement so at least as a hypothesis I wouldn’t say it’s utterly unscientific.

Wait what do you mean by it? Oh AI. I guess that’s my bad for not adding a paragraph. I was saying AI can functionally be used like a parlor wall if someone wanted. As for hunger I was saying we humans can choose to solve world hunger, we choose not to. Also I never said it was a food production issue. You’re right that we definitely produce enough food for everyone yet there’s still starvation. It’s moreso a logistics issue as you pointed out and it’s not as simple as just sending food as that will ultimately have harmful effects on the local economy. You’re right that climate change is an issue and by this point we’re far past solving it by simply changing our behavior, technology will be needed and likely some degree of geo engineering. Worse case scenario we should be planning for a full collapse of the biosphere now. The technology we need for space colonies is about what would be necessary to continue surviving outside of nature just minus the structure and protection from collisions or radiation.

Like I said you’re free to say whatever you want. There’s no harm in me asking for a mutually polite discussion. I don’t agree with your synopsis of what you think I think and that’s also fine. Put firmly the goal is to decrease needless and avoidable suffering for as many people as possible whether that’s with policy or technology. For example, if we can end starvation then we should. We can today, we simply find justification not to. I’m not claiming that’s what an AI is but it can be used as such, it’s functionally identical if one sets it up that way.

I mean yeah a lot of ideas can be used to cause a lot of needless and avoidable suffering instead of preventing it which is what I think the actual thing is we want to avoid. Like in Gattaca it wasn’t the gene editing that was the issue it was the dehumanization of a group that was the issue, unless they were editing themselves to be less compassionate but that’s not in the plot. Once again I think we can talk without the name calling, I’m not being mean or rude to you personally and I would appreciate you having the same decency but you’re free to do what you want. I guess I could say where I’m from and then you could just deny it. As for parlor walls, just get a few AI agents with an avatar playing out a plot you can interact with and it’s essentially the same thing. Use a projector I guess and you got your wall.

I’m not saying we should make it identical but honestly we could just make humans more compassionate and more apprehensive to causing harm if we wanted. It’s like the Gattaca example, I’m not saying we should straight up duplicate the story one to one. With AI we essentially have parlor walls like fahrenheit 451 but does that mean reality is now exactly like the plot of fahrenheit 451? You can take an idea from somewhere without being forced to duplicate everything about the source.

I was more so getting at a scenario like The Giver where humanity modifies itself to be more peaceful with itself more than what you’re getting at. Of course maybe not to such an extreme like the giver. Anyways I think we could have a better conversation without the name calling but to each their own I guess.

It’s not always a crime necessarily but harming people to get what one wants is usually a crime. As for constraining human behavior there’s really only two tools, benefit the behaviors you want and punish the ones you don’t want. People will obviously be self interested and will sometimes cause a lot of harm to get what they want but they wouldn’t if they knew for a fact they would be caught and punished. It’s more so the likelihood of being caught than the punishment that’s actually the deterrent. You can have an extreme punishment for something but if it’s unlikely someone will be caught then they will take their chances. Downside is with a higher rate of catching bad behaviors we diminish privacy. An extreme would everyone being watched and recorded 24/7 would make it trivial to catch any bad behavior or crime but there would be zero privacy.

As for Gattaca,. I think it’s more so that they used it to differentiate society into two groups where one was treated very poorly more so than the gene editing itself being the issue. For sure we will cure genetic diseases and then move into grey area stuff like giving people perfect eyesight and so on. I think it’ll be far too tempering to make designer babies though, higher IQ, better looking (subjective), better physique, better health and so on. Of course anyone who’s ever bred animals knows you can breed them to constrain their behavior so one could theoretically alter humanity to be more compassionate and less of a jerk to itself.

Time is speeding up

For sure money has departed from actual real world value essentially from the moment it was created and people ought to be compensated for the value they actually create and of course taxed for the value they take from society. It’s kinda the same issue with climate change, if things actually cost what they truly cost the problem would fix itself over night. The issue is we externalize the cost to the environment, to the poor, and to our future so we don’t have to pay it today.

With actually correct value being represented by money and goods and services actually having their true cost that would mostly solve everything.

I mean we’ve already started modern eugenics with gene therapies to cure genetic diseases and soon there will be services offering designer babies not unlike the movie Gattaca. Why would you not want to have your child’s IQ increased 20 points along with removing their asthma and near sightedness?

There’s no political system devoid of corruption and people willing to harm others to get what they want. We can prevent a lot of crime but we’re not preventing human behavior anytime soon. I mean we can but we won’t.

Hmmm I live at the equator so I’ve never seen a fridge do that. If you’re particularly handy you could take a mini fridge, cut a hole in it and attach a circular ducting or large computer fan so you don’t have to fill or move any bottles. If you’re really handy you can splice the gas loop and stick the hot end outside the room with insulation so you’re dumping the waste heat somewhere else. Things get very ghetto or rigged here. I set up a water heating rod (immersion water heater) in a bucket I hung up with a tap to get a hot shower, although one has to be careful not to burn themselves. Another way is to take a hose and paint it black, connect it to the water loop and leave it on the roof / outside so the sun heats the water inside but it’s not a large volume, maybe good for 20 minutes of showing when mixed with cooler water. I haven’t always lived here but I’ve always been handy. It’s useful to know how to pump water, even uphill without electricity. To set up solar heat motors and other really rigged shit.

Yeah that happens a lot with the model most apps and platforms use. The venture capital today, figure out how to actually become profitable tomorrow. That transition is usually messy.

Got a freezer, some bottles, and a fan? You got AC. Double points if you have a styrofoam cooler and some ducting.

Fix? Not without some eugenics (traditional or modern). Mitigate? We can definitely mitigate it. There was a study recently that showed that it’s not really the punishment for a crime that dieters people, it’s the probability they will or won’t get caught that’s the primary factor. So for instance if there’s a 98% chance they will get caught people are unlikely to commit the crime and if there is a 5% chance they will be caught they are much more likely to commit the crime even if the punishment is extremely harsh. There’s of course a balancing act between personal freedoms and privacy and the ability to catch people aka the more privacy people have the more difficult it is to catch crime and generally the less privacy (and ability to parse large sums of data) the easier it is.

We totally can. It’s just difficult to get past that some people want more than others even if that means harming them.

When you get to the south west it becomes a place in Mexico which is a place in Spain or straight up just named after a Spanish conquistador.

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