Wow, your hands sure were busy shoving words in my mouth. Too bad you didn’t try to make any logical points. Guess you just don’t have any. And no, mobs don’t have anywhere near the percent of support personal that the military has.

Correct. If there is one, then others have to exist to balance them out. Only with none can we all exist without militaries. And that really should be a goal.

Very much so. So ewhere there is a balance of having enough to be a stable country, but not so much to draw attention. But it’s a very small point to balance on.

Well, as you say. If you don’t pay your taxes, they will put you in jail. So you do have the free will to choose. You could of course also move to a country with a less interventionist military so that your taxes aren’t paying for it. In the US, kids from poor neighborhoods have very few job options. We don’t have good public transit, so they can only go so far for a job. Moving is usually out of the question expensewise because they are living with their parents already.
For many who end up in combat roles, it is often a choice between making a living via crime or the military. At least with the military they have a decent chance to become a productive citizen after a few years. So it is the better of two bad options. Others are just not too bright. They have no idea how the military is used. They just hear the words of a sweet talking recruiter telling them how good a person they will be for signing up. It’s hard to blame them for being dumb.

I am not saying noone in the military is a bad person. But I am saying that not all are. The US military has like a 50% resign rate. You could say the ones that sign up for a second tour are choosing of thier own free will, with thier eyes open. That I will agree to.

Hm, the percent of drug dealers and mobsters that don’t have an active combat like role is very very low. But the military has people like doctors and nurses among other very much non combat roles. So it isn’t really a fair comparison. And some people join the military to avoid becoming a drug dealer or mobster. It’s a step up, mostly because it is legal. And for some, they do one tour and then become productive members of society. That happens far less with drug dealers and mobsters. So at least give them the respect for choosing not to become a drug dealer or mobster.

I don’t know much about the SA. But my understanding was that the SS required a person to be pretty fanatical. So that is a little different than just joining the regular army to be a cook or something. It really would be more of a person by person determination, than a sweeping generalization of everyone who joined the military. There were and are certainly plenty of people who join looking to become murderers and such. But in todays military, that percentage is a lot lower then back there. There is just a lot more jobs that lead to a better career, and are often the only way many people can get to that stable life. This is of course one of the reasons they don’t want college to be free. It’s thier hook for a lot of people.

Um… If they really had a choice, the vast majority would not join the military. There are exceptions of course. But most feel they have no other options. Just like technically you don’t have to pay your taxes (you can file a form to have nothing withheld from your paycheck). But it is the best choice if you want to make a living. So still, very much valid.

Paying your taxes makes you a much bigger war enabler than the non combat military. And with taxes, you not only enable your country to go to war. You enable other countries to do so too, as your gov pays for weapons to give them. The fact is, noone is innocent. And the people truely causing the wars for thier own interest just want us to blame each other instead of them. Clearly, you are giving them what they want.

Thats the trick. If a country doesn’t have a military and they have something like resources other countries want. The become puppets of the countries that have militaries. The exceptions are small countries that don’t have enough of anything anyone wants for others to bother taking it. They don’t tend to do so well usually.

It’s a race to the bottom.

I know the nuance will be hard for some. So I will start by saying that I am very against the actions of our government, and have been since a pretty young.

But, the vast majority of our troops are in the military because it was the best or maybe only option to make a living. And that is the way the government design the economy. They make sure people have no or few other choices.

Now compare what the military is doing to distract from the epstien files to what the billionaire class is doing. Then look at who you work for. Odds are your job in some way supports the very people who made epstien possible. So we are all complicit. Yet we all have little choice but to work. So instead of pointing your anger at someone who just like you is complicit. Point it at the people actually responsible.

Well that is true. The democrats are genocidal fucks as well.

See that would be great. But it actually causes division between people who agree that the genocidal fucks should be dragged out int the street and … but don’t agree to jumping to conclusions or over generalizations.
The actual supporters of genecidal fucks aren’t here to be divisive against.

Sure, except no one got offended. Though I guess I didn’t read the most recent responses. So maybe someone did, but I kinda doubt it.

Actually, the votes prove my point.

I’m not saying it’s divisive to say fuck nazis. But calling someone you know almost nothing about a nazi seems a bit extreme. Mostly because the level of willing misinterpretation on here is stupid high. I could say fuck trump, and somehow there will be people who will call me a trump supporter. It boggles the mind.

I read that quote in mom’s voice in my head. Kinda like “don’t swear honey, it makes you look uncivilized.” Then I wondered, is there a civilized way to call someone a nazi?

The real question is… is the poster trying to drive engagement, or division.

Sounds reality tv…