The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries’ current heads of state are kinda like “all this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.” It’s unclear who is right.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine’s government is not claiming half of Russia.
There is nuance to Ukraine Russia war too. Yes Russia is the obvious aggressor, and strengthened secession movements in eastern Ukraine through propaganda, but there were always some ethnically Russian people living there who felt they belong more with Russia.
They, along with the help of Russia were leading some kind of separatist movement and Ukraine bombed their own citizens to quel this issue. It’s hard to tell amidst all the propaganda on both sides, but there is definitely nuance here. Also not to mention Ukraine flirting with NATO membership was apparently a red line for Putin.
I get that there is lot more nuances than russo-ukrainian, but imo there is a lot more similarities than you seem to imply : both Russia and Israel claimed that the land belonged to them before, that they should get it back, and use violence to kill local people who tried to resist or move them. The only difference is that Israel did it with the help of western countries and partially according to their laws, so they get like an aura of legitimity, but the acts remains quite close.
I do not like when people basically do not accept violent behavior but accepts them when they are allowed by some law or authority.
(Also yes Hamas is doing bad things and should be held accountable in some way, just like Ukraine to my eyes. But still, for me it remains obvious who kills more, who steals more, who oppresses more)
Hamas might be doing terrible things, but they are also fighting a disproportionate war, and it’s not like Israel is respecting any of the human rights conventions either.
And in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is fighting for freedom from invaders and fighting a disproportionate war too, and are committing war crimes like torture of prisons or targeting of energy infrastructure just like Russia is doing.
War is always messy. To paint Hamas as exceptionally evil is unfair and probably an outcome of racial bias.
At the end of the day who is Isreal and who Palestine. If no one who was alive when Palestine was around can anyone rightfully claim it the land belongs to “Palestine”. It’s like the ship Theseus or something. Maybe I’m just dumb as fuck.
Just make the fuck up and work together instead of being greedy bigots.
can anyone rightfully claim it the land belongs to “Palestine”
You should tell that to Israel, which is expelling Palestinians from this land every week for decades. It is not the Palestinians who are claiming the land exclusively to themselves and expelling others from it. It is Israel doing that. I find it crazy that you somehow argue this as if Palestine is doing that.
Palestinians lost the wars. Multiple wars. At this point there really isn’t a point in contesting against Israel when they can integrate with Israel peacefully instead.
Israel is not offering “peaceful integration”. Have a look at Palestinians who already live outside of Gaza, in the rest of occupied Palestine. The only choices are leave, suffer or resist.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries’ current heads of state are kinda like “all this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.” It’s unclear who is right.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine’s government is not claiming half of Russia.
There is nuance to Ukraine Russia war too. Yes Russia is the obvious aggressor, and strengthened secession movements in eastern Ukraine through propaganda, but there were always some ethnically Russian people living there who felt they belong more with Russia.
They, along with the help of Russia were leading some kind of separatist movement and Ukraine bombed their own citizens to quel this issue. It’s hard to tell amidst all the propaganda on both sides, but there is definitely nuance here. Also not to mention Ukraine flirting with NATO membership was apparently a red line for Putin.
It isn’t that nuanced. The colonized, subjugated population is rising up rather than laying down to continue getting slaughtered.
Liberate Palestine.
“Unclear who is right”
No it’s pretty clear, out with the colonizer government. How is this a question?
I get that there is lot more nuances than russo-ukrainian, but imo there is a lot more similarities than you seem to imply : both Russia and Israel claimed that the land belonged to them before, that they should get it back, and use violence to kill local people who tried to resist or move them. The only difference is that Israel did it with the help of western countries and partially according to their laws, so they get like an aura of legitimity, but the acts remains quite close.
I do not like when people basically do not accept violent behavior but accepts them when they are allowed by some law or authority.
(Also yes Hamas is doing bad things and should be held accountable in some way, just like Ukraine to my eyes. But still, for me it remains obvious who kills more, who steals more, who oppresses more)
Hamas might be doing terrible things, but they are also fighting a disproportionate war, and it’s not like Israel is respecting any of the human rights conventions either.
And in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is fighting for freedom from invaders and fighting a disproportionate war too, and are committing war crimes like torture of prisons or targeting of energy infrastructure just like Russia is doing.
War is always messy. To paint Hamas as exceptionally evil is unfair and probably an outcome of racial bias.
Edit: removed implied support for Hamas. Both militaries should burn. Hope for a quick end to the conflict for the sake of the civilians affected.
At the end of the day who is Isreal and who Palestine. If no one who was alive when Palestine was around can anyone rightfully claim it the land belongs to “Palestine”. It’s like the ship Theseus or something. Maybe I’m just dumb as fuck.
Just make the fuck up and work together instead of being greedy bigots.
You should tell that to Israel, which is expelling Palestinians from this land every week for decades. It is not the Palestinians who are claiming the land exclusively to themselves and expelling others from it. It is Israel doing that. I find it crazy that you somehow argue this as if Palestine is doing that.
Palestinians lost the wars. Multiple wars. At this point there really isn’t a point in contesting against Israel when they can integrate with Israel peacefully instead.
Israel is not offering “peaceful integration”. Have a look at Palestinians who already live outside of Gaza, in the rest of occupied Palestine. The only choices are leave, suffer or resist.
Palestinians don’t offer peaceful integration either, since they like to resist so much as a group that Israelis don’t know who they can trust.