This is silly, sorry. Humans are shaped by our material conditions. We remake ourselves by remaking the world. If we build a better world, we become better people. It’s a mutually reinforcing relationship, moving onto socialism will make us better people.
And how do you propose to do that? In the 1000s of years since society was developed, it’s been endless class warfair. Human are greedy, period. Power corrupts us. In almost ever single instance humans have done the absolute WRONG thing.
What makes you think this persistent pattern will ever change? I’m serious, why do you think that? What in our history make you believe it will happen?
Socialism already exists. Power doesn’t corrupt us like some supernatural plague, this is idealist thinking that does not measure out to reality. People act in their own self-interest as a tool, but it just so happens that what’s good for everyone tends to be good for the individual as well.
When has power corrupted anyone? I mean that literally, when has anyone become supernaturally evil from having an administrative position? I want 3 good examples, because I can’t think of anyone being supernaturally impacted. In socialism, the majority have the same interests, towards collectivization, and against exploitation of people. The fact that socialism exists and is already remaking people proves this. The fact that humans lived communally for the vast majority of our existence means that the era of class society is an outlier, not the norm.
Power does tempt people to abuse it, and they regularly give in to that temptation. While I’m not in agreement with the person you are arguing with, I do believe people cannot be trusted with power, and therefore there need to be checks, and recourse, and the more power a person has, the more they need to be monitored rather than trusted. (Police are an example. Politicians are and example. Hollywood producers area
an example.)
There is also a selection mechanism at play. People who like to abuse power seek it out.
No supernatural power has ever corrupted anyone in history, dictator or not. You keep talking about “power corrupting people,” but this has never happened. What is your actual point? You think it’s absurd to talk about the supernatural, but that’s the only way to take your point that power corrupts. How does that physically happen?
This is what I meant up above dude. Idk if you’ll see this personally now, but if others who think this way do see this; it’s obvious that you are a mentally unhealthy person. You aren’t in a mature enough position to be seriously organizing if your tactics online are to tell people to end their lives.
It’s no wonder you think you believe that humans themselves are garbage. That works out all cool when it’s the title of a punk rock album (Dystopia fuck yeah) but not as an actual worldview for trying to reorganize society.
I’m gonna assume you’re young and/or just reacting out of frustration for an unjust world. If you conduct yourself this way, even online, nobody is going to take you seriously.
This is silly, sorry. Humans are shaped by our material conditions. We remake ourselves by remaking the world. If we build a better world, we become better people. It’s a mutually reinforcing relationship, moving onto socialism will make us better people.
And how do you propose to do that? In the 1000s of years since society was developed, it’s been endless class warfair. Human are greedy, period. Power corrupts us. In almost ever single instance humans have done the absolute WRONG thing.
What makes you think this persistent pattern will ever change? I’m serious, why do you think that? What in our history make you believe it will happen?
Could a morally bankrupt and intellectually handicapped society invent the microwavable hot pocket?
I don’t think so.
Check mate accelerationists
Socialism already exists. Power doesn’t corrupt us like some supernatural plague, this is idealist thinking that does not measure out to reality. People act in their own self-interest as a tool, but it just so happens that what’s good for everyone tends to be good for the individual as well.
How does “socialisn already exists” move your point forward at all? What a joke!
When has power not corrupted people… I want three good examples please.
You are delusional, what’s good for everyone, is good for trump!? Are you ‘here’ friend? Are you okay?
I would love for what you say to be true, but the world is bastard and it’s got your number.
When has power corrupted anyone? I mean that literally, when has anyone become supernaturally evil from having an administrative position? I want 3 good examples, because I can’t think of anyone being supernaturally impacted. In socialism, the majority have the same interests, towards collectivization, and against exploitation of people. The fact that socialism exists and is already remaking people proves this. The fact that humans lived communally for the vast majority of our existence means that the era of class society is an outlier, not the norm.
Take a step back and be serious, please.
Power does tempt people to abuse it, and they regularly give in to that temptation. While I’m not in agreement with the person you are arguing with, I do believe people cannot be trusted with power, and therefore there need to be checks, and recourse, and the more power a person has, the more they need to be monitored rather than trusted. (Police are an example. Politicians are and example. Hollywood producers area an example.)
There is also a selection mechanism at play. People who like to abuse power seek it out.
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No supernatural power has ever corrupted anyone in history, dictator or not. You keep talking about “power corrupting people,” but this has never happened. What is your actual point? You think it’s absurd to talk about the supernatural, but that’s the only way to take your point that power corrupts. How does that physically happen?
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No? You keep ranting about something that makes no sense.
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You okay?
This is what I meant up above dude. Idk if you’ll see this personally now, but if others who think this way do see this; it’s obvious that you are a mentally unhealthy person. You aren’t in a mature enough position to be seriously organizing if your tactics online are to tell people to end their lives.
It’s no wonder you think you believe that humans themselves are garbage. That works out all cool when it’s the title of a punk rock album (Dystopia fuck yeah) but not as an actual worldview for trying to reorganize society.
I’m gonna assume you’re young and/or just reacting out of frustration for an unjust world. If you conduct yourself this way, even online, nobody is going to take you seriously.