That’s what we’re trying to do. The assholes convincing everyone it isn’t necessary bcs they can just keep voting for the people who made the problem to begin with and that will somehow solve the problem are far more numerous and supported by the entire propaganda machine of the wealthiest empire in history and the personal social clout of every person profiting from the problem.
Revolution requires class consciousness and organization. You’re encouraging adventurism which is counterproductive.
Be so fr rn. Violent revolution is such a silly idea in a country that allows corporations to legally kill people and a govt that will drone strike you. 1) Half this country doesn’t vote. 2) The Black Panthers weren’t a threat to the corpos because they had guns, they were a threat because the improved the material conditions of their communities without the need of the government. Hasan has never said to not help out locally. I’d love to see an clip if he has.
Alright guess we gotta give up and vote for genociders and pay out taxes and send our kids off to die in imperialist wars like good little piggies then. Nothing to be done we are defeated lets just commit ourselves to phone banking for Hillary Clinton
12 ga shotguns and bird shot. Wrist rocket slingshots. Guerilla tactics.
What’s your plan to make the people with all the wealth and power give up without forcing you into a violent confrontation anyway, in the incredibly unlikely event you overcome their propaganda power and get a majority to vote for stripping their wealth and power?
Before or after mass incarcerations of political prisoners? You’re not going to use Guerulla tactics to change the hearts and minds of the liberals across the country. Other counties have taken steps to prevent unregulated exploitation. They’re not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.
I’m not particularly worried about the sequence. And I’m not convinced that most Liberals are all that gung ho about it, most just follow the cultural defaults. That can be changed inside a generation. And the US already has mass incarceration of political prisoners, so the overall per capita prison population would probably go down regardless.
Recently, in France, high school studient have revolted. The gouv sent them riot police, and stun grenades have made some of this kids loose an eye or a hand. In the next days, a riot policeman got caught too far from his line by some studients, who used ultra violence on him, kicking his face many times. That is how the gouv decided to remove the dangerous stun grenades.
As long as violence is the only way that works, violence is the way to use (unfortunately).
If oppression could stop when we say please, their would not be social violences.
And as long as the violence is only issued by ICE against the population, it won’t stop. I may reduce a bit in targets, or expend, according to the ruler, but only to match the ruler’s interests.
Of course police remain violent here too, with the wonderful umbrella of “so much less than in the US”. Here if the police kills a minor, their is a trial… that always gives police’s violence as legit and the death as an accident. At most the policeman killer could get a warning from the hierarchy.
The few remaining of free news and public opinion do all the pressure they can ; a video was released in the press, video made by the police, were officers instruct to shoot aiming the head of pacifist manifestants, and policemen joke trying their best to “kill one”. Over an hundred manifestants got serious injuries. Based on laws, that officer and the policemen should be fired, but there has been no output (not even a trial, not even a “sorry”).
I would prefer that politics push for justice, for social dialog, for (really) democratic processes of managing problems. And I am really sad to see that none of this works this days.
When the police (or public force) fear for their life, they come to a point they agree to avoid violences. If they renounce to free brutality, the gouvernment is often forced to discuss and to let the people have some power.
Nobody has yet lured any of their command structure into an ambush and stomped a mud hole in their chest. Americans are far too fucking domesticated, which is why step one of starting that revolution from the original comment is spreading class consciousness and making sure everyone understands that there is no possibility of voting away the fascism.
How about “Make a revolution”. As in do it.
That’s what we’re trying to do. The assholes convincing everyone it isn’t necessary bcs they can just keep voting for the people who made the problem to begin with and that will somehow solve the problem are far more numerous and supported by the entire propaganda machine of the wealthiest empire in history and the personal social clout of every person profiting from the problem.
Revolution requires class consciousness and organization. You’re encouraging adventurism which is counterproductive.
Be so fr rn. Violent revolution is such a silly idea in a country that allows corporations to legally kill people and a govt that will drone strike you. 1) Half this country doesn’t vote. 2) The Black Panthers weren’t a threat to the corpos because they had guns, they were a threat because the improved the material conditions of their communities without the need of the government. Hasan has never said to not help out locally. I’d love to see an clip if he has.
Alright guess we gotta give up and vote for genociders and pay out taxes and send our kids off to die in imperialist wars like good little piggies then. Nothing to be done we are defeated lets just commit ourselves to phone banking for Hillary Clinton
Anything but violent revolution is a silly idea in a country under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie…
What’s your defense against an ultra militarized police force who has drones?
12 ga shotguns and bird shot. Wrist rocket slingshots. Guerilla tactics.
What’s your plan to make the people with all the wealth and power give up without forcing you into a violent confrontation anyway, in the incredibly unlikely event you overcome their propaganda power and get a majority to vote for stripping their wealth and power?
Before or after mass incarcerations of political prisoners? You’re not going to use Guerulla tactics to change the hearts and minds of the liberals across the country. Other counties have taken steps to prevent unregulated exploitation. They’re not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.
Which countries are you thinking of? Be specific.
And those countries required major revolutions to get to that point
I’m not particularly worried about the sequence. And I’m not convinced that most Liberals are all that gung ho about it, most just follow the cultural defaults. That can be changed inside a generation. And the US already has mass incarceration of political prisoners, so the overall per capita prison population would probably go down regardless.
That’s exactly why you need revolution, lmao
Recently, in France, high school studient have revolted. The gouv sent them riot police, and stun grenades have made some of this kids loose an eye or a hand. In the next days, a riot policeman got caught too far from his line by some studients, who used ultra violence on him, kicking his face many times. That is how the gouv decided to remove the dangerous stun grenades.
As long as violence is the only way that works, violence is the way to use (unfortunately).
If oppression could stop when we say please, their would not be social violences.
ICE has murdered multiple people and we can’t even get body cams on them.
The only time the people in power even pretend to consider to abolish ICE and lower police budgets were during the riots of 2020
And as long as the violence is only issued by ICE against the population, it won’t stop. I may reduce a bit in targets, or expend, according to the ruler, but only to match the ruler’s interests.
Of course police remain violent here too, with the wonderful umbrella of “so much less than in the US”. Here if the police kills a minor, their is a trial… that always gives police’s violence as legit and the death as an accident. At most the policeman killer could get a warning from the hierarchy.
The few remaining of free news and public opinion do all the pressure they can ; a video was released in the press, video made by the police, were officers instruct to shoot aiming the head of pacifist manifestants, and policemen joke trying their best to “kill one”. Over an hundred manifestants got serious injuries. Based on laws, that officer and the policemen should be fired, but there has been no output (not even a trial, not even a “sorry”).
I would prefer that politics push for justice, for social dialog, for (really) democratic processes of managing problems. And I am really sad to see that none of this works this days.
When the police (or public force) fear for their life, they come to a point they agree to avoid violences. If they renounce to free brutality, the gouvernment is often forced to discuss and to let the people have some power.
Nobody has yet lured any of their command structure into an ambush and stomped a mud hole in their chest. Americans are far too fucking domesticated, which is why step one of starting that revolution from the original comment is spreading class consciousness and making sure everyone understands that there is no possibility of voting away the fascism.
it doesn’t matter what piker says, he’s popular until he fucks up like his compatible left predecessors usually do – like platner.
Planter didn’t have a “fuck up.” Platner is a sex pest. What is this take?
he was the “progressive” that people like piker supported