I think calling it an op is going too far. There was a democratic students’ movement that siezed the radio station, and they had mass support. The CIA gave support to an ex-Nazi who provided military training after this had happened. The crackdown by the Soviets was brutal and many innocent Hungarians were killed. Dismissing the whole thing as just a CIA op makes it sound like another Bay of Pigs, which this was not.
There was no mass support. The US was cultivating a proto color revolution, a formula that’s been used time and again since then. What we do know is that in cases where there was no crackdown on Western funded reactionaries, then we got outcomes like in Chile. Thinking that this was some organic movement is frankly absurd. Also, can read up on precisely the tactics used, and how they have direct lineage in nazi propaganda https://november8ph.ca/psychological-warfare-in-the-strategy-of-imperialism-v-l-artemov/
People hated the Rákosi government for its political repression and economic austerity measures. Imre Nagy was not a western-sponsored colonel in the Hungarian military, he was a communist. After the fighting in Budapest, revolutionary workers councils organized all over the country. You think the CIA and Radio Free Europe were responsible for that?
My issue with this type of logic is that it’s all or nothing. Thereis a sentence in the declassified document, therefore the whole thing was orchestrated by the US. There was more going on here than Operation Gladio.
Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and told them “I can’t talk to you because you’re too ignorant, you have to read this book first”? How did that go?
So ignoring your namecalling and dogmatism, I read the first two chapters of the book, introduction and the chapter on psychological warfare in the 1950s and 1960s. The only thing it says about Hungary is that it was a counter-revolution. Do I have to keep reading into the 1970s and 80s to find out where it’s revealed that the imperialists orchestrated the whole revolution? Should I cite histories by marxists and communists that talk about spontaneous worker councils?
Comrades, we must engage in fierce ideological struggle to determine whether the correct reading of the current moment comes from The Hunger Games trilogy or the later, more mature work of The West Wing.
I think calling it an op is going too far. There was a democratic students’ movement that siezed the radio station, and they had mass support. The CIA gave support to an ex-Nazi who provided military training after this had happened. The crackdown by the Soviets was brutal and many innocent Hungarians were killed. Dismissing the whole thing as just a CIA op makes it sound like another Bay of Pigs, which this was not.
There was no mass support. The US was cultivating a proto color revolution, a formula that’s been used time and again since then. What we do know is that in cases where there was no crackdown on Western funded reactionaries, then we got outcomes like in Chile. Thinking that this was some organic movement is frankly absurd. Also, can read up on precisely the tactics used, and how they have direct lineage in nazi propaganda https://november8ph.ca/psychological-warfare-in-the-strategy-of-imperialism-v-l-artemov/
People hated the Rákosi government for its political repression and economic austerity measures. Imre Nagy was not a western-sponsored colonel in the Hungarian military, he was a communist. After the fighting in Budapest, revolutionary workers councils organized all over the country. You think the CIA and Radio Free Europe were responsible for that?
My issue with this type of logic is that it’s all or nothing. Thereis a sentence in the declassified document, therefore the whole thing was orchestrated by the US. There was more going on here than Operation Gladio.
Read the book I linked to educate yourself.
Lol, yeah, totally reasonable way to engage with someone.
Sorry, I always forget that books to a liberal are like garlic to a vampire.
Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and told them “I can’t talk to you because you’re too ignorant, you have to read this book first”? How did that go?
I try to avoid interacting with imbeciles in day to day life.
So ignoring your namecalling and dogmatism, I read the first two chapters of the book, introduction and the chapter on psychological warfare in the 1950s and 1960s. The only thing it says about Hungary is that it was a counter-revolution. Do I have to keep reading into the 1970s and 80s to find out where it’s revealed that the imperialists orchestrated the whole revolution? Should I cite histories by marxists and communists that talk about spontaneous worker councils?
Here, just for kicks
https://www.union-communiste.org/it/1996-12/30-hungary-1956-the-workers-councils-5619
I look forward to the next round of insults, comrade, you’re really doing your movement a service.
maybe you need to mask the garlic smell. Try writing Harry Potter on the book and you might just be able to get them to read.
Comrades, we must engage in fierce ideological struggle to determine whether the correct reading of the current moment comes from The Hunger Games trilogy or the later, more mature work of The West Wing.