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Unbiased = Confirming my biases

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

You can notice a bias towards the state media from pro-capitalist regimes from the above.

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    Yes. The meme is bullshit. The wikipedia community has always covered every kind of atrocity and has truly tried to maintain a neutral pow. But the union busting really is Really shitty behavior from the wikimedia organization.

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      and has truly tried to maintain a neutral pow.

      My god, how are you people so fucking brainless?

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        Because you hoard the brain in a box! (sorry, couldn’t help myself)

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      maintain a neutral pow

      Neutral POV as per themselves? Or is it some external agency? Agency made up of all sides?

      And do you see this as neutral?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

      You can notice the bias towards the state media from pro-capitalist regimes

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        ? If it was pro-capitalist China would be green, the divide is USA and their colonies vs perceived potential threats to it’s domination.

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          China is a socialist country.

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          China is led by a Communist party that aims to progress in the path of Socialism.

          Compared to the West, not pro-Capitalist enough for Wikipedia then?

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            China is led by a Communist party that aims to progress in the path of Socialism

            By their own words and practice, and any measurable metric, they are not.

            https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202412/06/content_WS6752b0e2c6d0868f4e8edbb0.html

            Chinese government press release: 60% of GDP is from fully private companies. About 20% is from mixed ownership companies.

            80% of workers work for private enterprises.

            (USA states are 80% GDP from private companies, 20% from SOE, could not find a metric that distinguishes partially state owned enterprise in USA; and that about 80% of population also work for private enterprises)

            Worker rights are stagnated far behind EU, for safety of workplace (e.g. China official statistics are twice the Eu per capita https://english.news.cn/20260115/89ba80c83c4a4cf6a0162fa4f43e6b68/c.html) , renumeration, paid holidays, paid sick leave.

            The only positive was slightly lower retirement age, but that is gone now: http://english.scio.gov.cn/m/chinavoices/2025-01/02/content_117641102.html

            Heck, even ProleWiki says that Socialism in China is a dream for the future, and that they are aiming for the poetic 100th birthday of PRC. I will believe that when I see it, because for now it’s just a capitalist country.

            It is vastly better if you compare China to USA, but let’s not lie to ourselves.

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              Socialism is not “no private sector,” it’s a transitional society between capitalism and communism marked by worker control of the state, and public ownership as the principal aspect of the economy. All apply to China. Regarding prolewiki saying that China isn’t socialist, that is outright incorrect. You also lied about the CPC saying that socialism is not the backbone of their economy and their goal for further development, you linked a source stating that the private sector presently plays a large but subordinate part of the economy, which is in line with their analysis that they are in the primary stage of socialism:

              Then you compare ratios of private to public, which doesn’t actually say anything about which sector holds power. The important factor is controlling the commanding heights and critical sectors, and employing marketization in underdeveloped sectors to facilitate growth. Capital is treated in China like a farmer treats wheat, rather than like an uncontrollable force of nature like it is in the US, because China is socialist.

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              • The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
              • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
              • Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
              • Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
              • Is the CPC committed to communism?
              • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
              • The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
              • Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
              • Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
              • Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
              • Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
              • What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
              • How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?, 2
              • Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2
              • Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
              • Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
              • Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
              • China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
              • Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
              • How the State runs business in China.
              • 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP.
              • China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students.
              • China tells the US that it has no plans to weaken the role of its State-Owned-Enterprises, one of the US’s main demands in the trade war. “Beijing plans to make the state economy stronger, bigger, and better.”
              • Unlike the US, China refuses to bail out over-leveraged property developers, and lets them go bankrupt.
              • A China misinformation Megathread.

              https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/socialism-with-chinese-characteristics

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                Why are you gish galloping at Xinhua news?

                The backbone of the economy is

                Literally Chinese government official press release does not agree with that, linked above.

                I fucking believe Chinese official government press release over random reddit posts when it comes to sourcing knowledge about China.

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                  The Chinese government actually does agree with what KimBongUn420 said, you just lied about what the CPC actually said. Here’s the article in full:

                  Private sector to play key role in major projects

                  Private enterprises are expected to lead and contribute to China’s major national technological projects, as the country’s private sector bids to become a critical driver of technological innovation, economic growth and international cooperation, said a senior official from a national body serving the sector on Thursday.

                  Qiu Xiaoping, vice-chairman of the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce, said: “In China, the private sector’s role in driving innovation has never been more crucial. Major national scientific and research infrastructure is being further opened up to these private enterprises, allowing them to lead or collaborate on more groundbreaking projects.”

                  Qiu, who is also a member of the Leading Party Members’ Group of the federation, said that rising Chinese private enterprises are doubling down on their investments in strategic emerging industries from high-end manufacturing to advanced materials.

                  One of their particular focuses is on future industries such as quantum computing and life sciences, which are poised to define the next generation of economic competition globally, he said.

                  Data from the federation shows that private enterprises have become a key pillar of China’s innovation ecosystem, contributing over 70 percent of the nation’s technological breakthroughs, making up for more than 90 percent of national high-tech businesses and over 80 percent of national “little giant” companies — small and medium-sized enterprises recognized for their specialized expertise and innovation.

                  “Their innovative growth aligns with China’s efforts to build a modernized industrial system and foster collaboration between large corporations and nimble SMEs. This ecosystem is expected to create fertile ground for innovation, driving the private sector to not only compete but thrive on a global scale,” he said.

                  As private enterprises expand their reach, Qiu noted their economic influence has become undeniable. Collectively, they contribute over 50 percent of the nation’s tax revenue, more than 60 percent of GDP and over 80 percent of urban employment.

                  On the global front, he emphasized that these firms account for over half of China’s total import and export volume, making them a vital force in driving international trade.

                  “China is expanding high-level opening-up and fostering an open world economy,” he said. “It also provides a vast stage for private enterprises to explore international markets. More private enterprises will build on their domestic success while expanding globally.”

                  All this says is that China will continue to rely on the private sector in underdeveloped industries as a means to facilitate continued economic growth, as subordinate to the overall socialist economy. Not a single sentence in there says “China is not socialist” or “communism is not the goal of the CPC” or “China will become socialist in the future, but it isn’t today.” Those are naked lies on your part because you inserted your own, incorrect, definition of socialism, that being an economy devoid of private property in any capacity.

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                  Why are you ignoring the wealth of information presented to you? Nowhere in the xinhua news articles you provided does it say that China is capitalist.

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                  Me when the person I disagree with sources their claims: “uhhh gish gallop, strawman, et tu Brutus ad absurdiam, adhummer, slippery slope fallacy”

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              Vastly better than USAmerica

              Is that the reason for Wikipedia’s bias against their media?

              Europe tags along with USAmerican regime’s capitalist-imperialist actions and so their media is given an exemption?

              Heck, even ProleWiki says that Socialism in China is a dream for the future, and that they are aiming for the poetic 100th birthday of PRC. I will believe that when I see it, because for now it’s just a capitalist country.

              Even if they are currently capitalist, they do not see it as the end stage, like the pro-capitalist regimes do?

              So, let’s not lie to ourselves, to deny the obvious preference that the Wikipedia page shows for the media from the pro-capitalist regimes.

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                To be clear, ThirdConsul is lying. China is socialist, and both the CPC and prolewiki agree about that. ThirdConsul is pretending socialism means the absence entirely of private property.

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          This is the moderating repository of knowledge in the western media ecosystem all but admitting that they do not actually consider China a capitalist state.

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      Allowing only western sources is not “truly trying to maintaining a neutral pov” as all sources have a bias

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        Does Wikipedia really only allow Western sources? I don’t know if that’s true

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          wikipedia considers government propaganda sources like the BBC and Voice of America (dont laugh) to be reliable, as long as they’re western government propaganda sources.

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            But I don’t think it’s true Wiki only allows Western sources

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              Wikipedia heavily favors western news sources as “less biased” than non-western equivalents. Look at the text of the post you’re commenting in.

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      Don’t give the Wikipedia community too much credit. The union-busting goes hand-in-hand with the western liberal frame that every article is presented with.

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      The wikipedia community has always covered every kind of atrocity and has truly tried to maintain a neutral pow.

      lol

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