You are describing capitalism. Capitalists plunder the surplus value created by the working classes. Production is already socialized and collaborative, but the spoils go to a tiny handful of people.
You make the boss $100, you wage is $7.25, your boss is earning $92.75 that he uses to recoup the costs of production then can pocket the rest.
Your boss then takes that money and pays off the capitalist state to make laws to take more of your money to further subsidize his cost of business while rigging the laws in his favor to make sure competition doesn’t spring up to threaten his bottom line. Your taxes, which should be used for the common welfare of all, is being laundered and sent to further enrich the capitalist class.
If you think taxes are theft, then working for a wage is slavery
Communism makes it so the guy who is capable of working but sits on his couch all day has the same money as the guy working his butt off…
I have no problem with when people who can’t work are helped, the problem is when people who aren’t trying to work get to mooch off of the workers…
Also, most people aren’t working for $7.25… they go where the money is better… unfortunately big corporations have their fingers in the government (on both sides)
I’m sorry, are you a boomer? Did you learn what communism is on fox news? Do you honestly to God think the Soviet Union went from a backwater semi-feudal empire that was suffering from famines every 10 or so years to a nation that beat America in the space race several times over within a generation by only having one guy do all the work while everyone else laid around?
Honest to God, do yourself a favor and at least read Chapter 1 of Lenin’s State and Revolution. If you do that you’ll at least be more learned on some of the 101 level stuff of what communists believe than a lot of the left-liberals that larp as socialists.
The Soviets were the first to space, first to send probes to Venus, first animals in space, first returning animals from space, first humans in space, and more. The moon landing was a huge milestone, sure, but the soviets took a number of firsts themselves.
Saying they beat the Americans in the space race several times over doesn’t mean the Statesians didn’t make it to the moon first, it means the Soviets beat them to many major milestones, yet this is brushed under the rug.
Genuinely, how did you come to be so confident talking about a subject you clearly don’t know the first thing about? Like, where did you get these ideas from?
We are talking about communism, it sounds like you’re talking about welfare and getting upset at those on welfare and not the capitalists that plunder all of the social surplus. Of course capitalists control the state, the state serves the ruling class.
Do you think that people don’t work in China? Cuba, Korea, Vietnam? Laos? Do you think they didn’t work in the USSR, when they went from feudalism to space in half a century? I really don’t think you understand how socialism works in real life, or how production in the future will be run.
I don’t think any socialist society has ever abolished money so far, though it’s an admirable future goal. The USSR certainly didn’t abolish money, they had Rubles.
Money in general becomes superfluous if all production and distribution is collectivized and run along a scientific plan. If you develop beyond markets, why do you need money?
Didn’t I say “admirable future goal” rather than “good idea right now”? Eventually, society ought to progress to the point where money is no longer needed, through both development of productive forces and development of societal attitudes. This is the goal of communism. The concept of money is only a few thousand years old, and humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years longer than it, so it’s by no means impossible.
Did you ever watch the Star Trek shows? The Federation in Star Trek doesn’t have money. Both because they have replicators and can instantly reproduce any item using only energy, but also because they’re a more advanced society that has moved beyond needing a medium of exchange
I was referring to how the people work and the government takes their money and “distributes” it, but most of it actually just goes into the government’s pockets…
And who is “the government”? Elected officials? Bureaucrats? Do you think the low-level grunts at the tax agency are living high on the hog? Or do elected officials take your money and hand it to their buddies in the form of lucrative government contracts? And who is elected? Capitalists consort with each other and choose who among them is to represent you. You’re conflating the bureaucratic apparatus of the state with the class that controls it (capitalists) and in doing so losing sight of the actual material reality at play.
The only people who benefit from the people not being entitled to the money they earn is the people in power (the government)
If people are working and their money isn’t theirs it is theft
you are literally describing capitalism
You are describing capitalism. Capitalists plunder the surplus value created by the working classes. Production is already socialized and collaborative, but the spoils go to a tiny handful of people.
You make the boss $100, you wage is $7.25, your boss is earning $92.75 that he uses to recoup the costs of production then can pocket the rest.
Your boss then takes that money and pays off the capitalist state to make laws to take more of your money to further subsidize his cost of business while rigging the laws in his favor to make sure competition doesn’t spring up to threaten his bottom line. Your taxes, which should be used for the common welfare of all, is being laundered and sent to further enrich the capitalist class.
If you think taxes are theft, then working for a wage is slavery
I’m talking about communism, not mere taxes…
Communism makes it so the guy who is capable of working but sits on his couch all day has the same money as the guy working his butt off…
I have no problem with when people who can’t work are helped, the problem is when people who aren’t trying to work get to mooch off of the workers…
Also, most people aren’t working for $7.25… they go where the money is better… unfortunately big corporations have their fingers in the government (on both sides)
I’m sorry, are you a boomer? Did you learn what communism is on fox news? Do you honestly to God think the Soviet Union went from a backwater semi-feudal empire that was suffering from famines every 10 or so years to a nation that beat America in the space race several times over within a generation by only having one guy do all the work while everyone else laid around?
Honest to God, do yourself a favor and at least read Chapter 1 of Lenin’s State and Revolution. If you do that you’ll at least be more learned on some of the 101 level stuff of what communists believe than a lot of the left-liberals that larp as socialists.
The US was the first to land a person on the moon?
The Soviets were the first to space, first to send probes to Venus, first animals in space, first returning animals from space, first humans in space, and more. The moon landing was a huge milestone, sure, but the soviets took a number of firsts themselves.
The Soviets landed a probe on the moon in 1966.
I won’t deny that, but to say they won is false
It’s called the space race, not the moon race.
Saying they beat the Americans in the space race several times over doesn’t mean the Statesians didn’t make it to the moon first, it means the Soviets beat them to many major milestones, yet this is brushed under the rug.
american propaganda frames “getting to the moon” as the end goal of the space race purely because they couldn’t get first in everything else.
Genuinely, how did you come to be so confident talking about a subject you clearly don’t know the first thing about? Like, where did you get these ideas from?
Because of how Communism and Socialism has only worked out for the party elite, and has been horrible for the people…
Look at East Berlin and how desperate people were to escape to the west side of the wall.
Did you reply to the wrong post? That has nothing to do with what I asked.
We are talking about communism, it sounds like you’re talking about welfare and getting upset at those on welfare and not the capitalists that plunder all of the social surplus. Of course capitalists control the state, the state serves the ruling class.
I don’t get where you got that from…
I said that the problem is when people who are able to work simply choose not to, and feed off of those who do work.
Wellfare is supposed to be for disabled people, injured people, and people who are stuck between jobs…
Do you think that people don’t work in China? Cuba, Korea, Vietnam? Laos? Do you think they didn’t work in the USSR, when they went from feudalism to space in half a century? I really don’t think you understand how socialism works in real life, or how production in the future will be run.
I don’t think any socialist society has ever abolished money so far, though it’s an admirable future goal. The USSR certainly didn’t abolish money, they had Rubles.
Also, why is abolishing money a good idea?
With money it’s way easier to know market value of a good or service…
Otherwise you’re stuck with chickens per toaster or something equally as ridiculous…
Money in general becomes superfluous if all production and distribution is collectivized and run along a scientific plan. If you develop beyond markets, why do you need money?
Didn’t I say “admirable future goal” rather than “good idea right now”? Eventually, society ought to progress to the point where money is no longer needed, through both development of productive forces and development of societal attitudes. This is the goal of communism. The concept of money is only a few thousand years old, and humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years longer than it, so it’s by no means impossible.
Did you ever watch the Star Trek shows? The Federation in Star Trek doesn’t have money. Both because they have replicators and can instantly reproduce any item using only energy, but also because they’re a more advanced society that has moved beyond needing a medium of exchange
I was referring to how the people work and the government takes their money and “distributes” it, but most of it actually just goes into the government’s pockets…
And who is “the government”? Elected officials? Bureaucrats? Do you think the low-level grunts at the tax agency are living high on the hog? Or do elected officials take your money and hand it to their buddies in the form of lucrative government contracts? And who is elected? Capitalists consort with each other and choose who among them is to represent you. You’re conflating the bureaucratic apparatus of the state with the class that controls it (capitalists) and in doing so losing sight of the actual material reality at play.
“I was referring to a thing that I imagined which has no relation to real life”
please reconcile this thought with police budgets, and then ask yourself what the police actually do and who they really protect
That’s not how it works, the people work and capitalists make all of the money, and use the state to prevent people from getting uppity.
I would like it if you were to expound on this in detail