I want you to really try to make a singular definition of Authoritarianism and Libertarianism that applies to all examples you would classify as authoritarian or libertarian. Is it theoretically possible for them to exist at the same time in the same place? Would that be a common definition? If not, why is your definition different and more importantly do you have enough evidence to justify having a different definition from the majority of people who use those terms?
I want you to really try to make a singular definition of Authoritarianism and Libertarianism that applies to all examples you would classify as authoritarian or libertarian.
It’s good for the working classes to wield state authority against capitalists and fascists. To not do so would be to allow capitalism to reform, and the alternative is capitalist authority used against the working classes.
No, it isn’t. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state, it’s socialist. What do you think socialism and capitalism are? Vibes?
I’m convinced (based off interactions I’ve had on NextDoor) a lot of people think capitalism=uses money. But also that socialism/communism=failed/corrupted capitalism. China looking better than the USA nowadays means they have to be capitalist since they obviously aren’t failing.
That’s certainly how some people see it! Liberals look at China’s success and some try to twist that into a victory for capitalism, even if that doesn’t actually describe China’s success accurately.
Please answer me, where do they manufacture Iphones?
I mean, Iphones are a commercial product which is manufactured and sold by a corporation, are they not? Which country is that manufacturing done in exactly, and how much does the corporation pay those workers?
I think most of your (real) questions would be answered if you read Lenin and Chairman Mao and did some research on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and the socialist market economy alongside the realities of the socialist transitionary period where many of the contradictions of capitalism remain as they are slowly synthesised and worked through. You’re clearly running on vibes for now and it’s leading you to not grasp the situation at hand properly.
None of what you said challenges the fact that China is capitalist in all ways that matter.
I mean, are you trying to claim the workers there aren’t being exploited by corporations?
How long is this “socialist transitionary period” supposed to take? Because it’s been like 50 years so far, and it doesn’t look like it’s ending anytime soon.
P.S. Please tell me how much Apple pays the workers in China to manufacture Iphones. Something tells me it’s less than they would be paid in America.
China is a country where they have to put nets on the roofs of factories to prevent people from throwing themselves over the side because they work 14 hours a day for a slave wage making garbage that is sold in our 99 cent stores.
Sounds like capitalism to me.
The nets were at foxconn in capitalist occupied Taiwan. You clearly have never been to China or researched China beyond just absorbing western headlines with no scepticism.
The Foxconn suicides were a spate of suicides linked to low pay and brutal working conditions at the Foxconn City industrial park in Shenzhen, China, that occurred alongside several additional suicides at various other Foxconn-owned locations and facilities in mainland China.
But China is authoritarian.
I want you to really try to make a singular definition of Authoritarianism and Libertarianism that applies to all examples you would classify as authoritarian or libertarian. Is it theoretically possible for them to exist at the same time in the same place? Would that be a common definition? If not, why is your definition different and more importantly do you have enough evidence to justify having a different definition from the majority of people who use those terms?
No.
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It’s good for the working classes to wield state authority against capitalists and fascists. To not do so would be to allow capitalism to reform, and the alternative is capitalist authority used against the working classes.
But China is capitalist.
Wrong.
Is China State Capitalist?
No, it isn’t. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state, it’s socialist. What do you think socialism and capitalism are? Vibes?
I’m convinced (based off interactions I’ve had on NextDoor) a lot of people think capitalism=uses money. But also that socialism/communism=failed/corrupted capitalism. China looking better than the USA nowadays means they have to be capitalist since they obviously aren’t failing.
That’s certainly how some people see it! Liberals look at China’s success and some try to twist that into a victory for capitalism, even if that doesn’t actually describe China’s success accurately.
And all states are authoritarian, so it loses its explanatory value and is a useless term when used to isolate and describe individual states.
Yes like every state. Capitalism is entirely based on the violent control of people and things.
China is capitalist in all ways that matter.
Have you considered doing research and applying analysis before just saying things?
Where do they make Iphones again?
So you haven’t. I would recommend it. It’ll help you void these vibes based politics errors.
Please answer me, where do they manufacture Iphones?
I mean, Iphones are a commercial product which is manufactured and sold by a corporation, are they not? Which country is that manufacturing done in exactly, and how much does the corporation pay those workers?
I think most of your (real) questions would be answered if you read Lenin and Chairman Mao and did some research on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and the socialist market economy alongside the realities of the socialist transitionary period where many of the contradictions of capitalism remain as they are slowly synthesised and worked through. You’re clearly running on vibes for now and it’s leading you to not grasp the situation at hand properly.
None of what you said challenges the fact that China is capitalist in all ways that matter. I mean, are you trying to claim the workers there aren’t being exploited by corporations?
How long is this “socialist transitionary period” supposed to take? Because it’s been like 50 years so far, and it doesn’t look like it’s ending anytime soon.
P.S. Please tell me how much Apple pays the workers in China to manufacture Iphones. Something tells me it’s less than they would be paid in America.
So the answer to their question is “no”.
That’s a cute opinion. Did Epstein give it to you?
China is a country where they have to put nets on the roofs of factories to prevent people from throwing themselves over the side because they work 14 hours a day for a slave wage making garbage that is sold in our 99 cent stores. Sounds like capitalism to me.
The nets were at foxconn
in capitalist occupied Taiwan. You clearly have never been to China or researched China beyond just absorbing western headlines with no scepticism.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
Care to modify your previous misinformation?