• Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    Not so the problem of US imperialism if the leader of the other countries not wearing always this

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      For bonus points, support leftist movements that have never gotten proper traction and have never have had to face and deal with the reality of capitalist nations trying to topple them. Like anarcho syndicalism, or worker coops.

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      There’s this one neat trick: Just call the communists fascist!

      Now you can support foreign invasion and regime change as a proud member of anti-fa!

      …Still won’t oppose capitalism though.

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    This is gold. Comrades are on their meme game this week. This one was also fire:

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      Needs to remove the Jill2016 pin though, these kind of people all think she’s a kgb agent now

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        Not a fan of Jill stein myself, but if all it takes is her sitting at a table with putin to make her a KGB spy, what does that mean for all the establishment losers that went to epstien island and have taken APAIC’s money?

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        The good news is that Russia is only evil and fascist and so it’s always bad to be associated with them. Trust me, I’m one of the good Americans

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          it’s always bad to be associated with them.

          There are multiple countries sharing that sentiment though? E.g. every European neighbour of them except Belarus?

          (At least according to Russian TV)

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      Brilliant. We all know that one person, or friend, who refuses to go ALL the way in regards to an idea. On other occasions it’s me who is the naysayer 😀

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    i need to start saving these for some libs in the wild.

    “yeah let me pretend to be nuanced here” fuck off lol

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      False-nuance is a big problem for liberals, who frequently understate the brutality of the US Empire and overstate any misdoings of its adversaries. This helps justify the US Empire’s genocidal imperialism.

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        You have to be careful of the memes you consume. The entire point of this meme lies in disputing the existence of nuance, relying on the latter half of the meme to hook people who know not to trust the statements of a fascist/imperialist regime and pit them against the strawman being depicted. It’s like an infection vector for radicalization.

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      When you both sides the imperial hegemon slaughtering thousands and the resistance movement born from the slaughter you are doing imperialist propaganda.

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    Who knew the world was full of quantum computers that can simulate an actual Schrödinger’s cat situation While also thinking in a very binary way with a red vs blue type situation like a double Schrödinger’s cat-ception

    The media is evil and all our elected officials are evil

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      Everything is literally 1984.

      I’m so well versed in politics and history.

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          Good things are bad actually because I read a book by a rabid racist, anti-Semite, colonial cop, snitch and rapist that was pushed hard by the CIA.

          Truly an intellectual titan of our time.

          On Orwell

          You clearly have no coherent ideology underpinning your thoughts beyond what you’ve osmosised from western media and fighting the tyranny of bedtime. Authority is not inherently evil. Fascists and their supporters deserve to have the boot of the people stamping on their face.

          Also “authoritarian regime”. Authoritarian is a useless pejorative. All states in class society are necessarily “authoritarian”. And “regime” just say what you really mean non white.

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    But also … just because something is used by the US as propaganda doesn’t necessarily mean it’s untrue.

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      That’s by definition of propaganda, though? The word “propaganda” doesn’t imply “false”, it just implies that it’s propagated with a political goal in mind

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      Look into literally every war they supported, it’s always false pretenses. They instigated Kuwait to get in trouble with Iraq, then told Iraq they wouldn’t oppose them invading Kuwait, then after Iraq invaded the US media apparatus lied everywhere that Iraqis disconnected hundreds of babies from incubators, killing them.

      Still with Iraq, they told the world that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, that they had to be stopped for the safety of all USAmericans. Even though the weapons inspectors said it was patently false. The US invaded, many European countries supported them. After a very painful invasion where it’s estimated between hundreds of thousands to a million Iraqis were murdered by the US and their allies (and many, many more when you count those who died from other factors caused by the invasion, such as lack of infrastructure, hospitals, food, etc), after all of this did they find WMDs? Take a guess.

      The US told us that Gaddafi was using mass rape against his enemies, and people believed it until after they bombed Libyans to rubble. Turns out, they lied.

      Amnesty International curiously enough lied as well, they echoed the claims about Kuwait babies killed by the Iraqi army and the mass rape by Gaddafi’s troops until after the US punished those countries and their peoples severely. Then they went back on their word, because as it turns out they were lying. So if even organizations that occasionally do decent work can’t be trusted not to amplify imperialism, how can we trust those that are even worse?

      Can you trust the same newspapers that have told us for years that no genocide is happening in Gaza? That we should condemn Hamas? That Israel has the most moral army? We saw with our own eyes what they did and still do to children in Gaza. And to this day BBC, NYT and others still frame Israel as victims of aggression, and the real victims as untrustworthy terrorists. We can’t trust a word about anything involving politics because even now they lie through framing, through omission.

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        True true, and their ‘justifications’ for war are entirely bogus.

        But I just caution against over-correcting. Just because someone is an enemy of the US doesn’t mean they’re perfect. Or even good.

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          Yes it does. Relative to the US they are good.

          The primary contradiction in the world right now is US imperialism.

          If you are talking about an enemy of the US in the context of anything the US is doing, they are the good guys.

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              The contradiction is between the increasing interconnection of production and distribution, and the concentration of the profits of this system into fewer and fewer hands. The old system of imperialism is dying away, while the interconnected, post-imperialist world is rising, trying to overcome the old. The interconnection of production and distrubution creates the elements of the downfall of imperialism as the global south develops.

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              the contradiction is between the imperialists and their subjects. That’s what they meant by the primary contradiction. It’s a term from dialectics.

              “On contradiction” by mao zedong is a good introduction to the concept

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                Seconding this, being a military guy Mao is very good at explaining big concepts in clear, simple language

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                I am familiar with On Contradiction, and I think it is a load of word salad.

                As best as I can tell, people who have drank the dialectical materialism kool-aid fetishise the word ‘contradiction’ and use it in place of any number of more correct words and terms.

                Imperialists and their subjects have contrary interests. Definitionally opposed interests, even. Things being opposed doesn’t make them contradictory the way everyone uses the word.

                You can legitimately say that US imperialism is the biggest problem in the world. You can’t say the US imperialism is the biggest contradiction in the world because that doesn’t make any god damned sense in English.

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                  I explained up here how it’s a contradiction:

                  The contradiction is between the increasing interconnection of production and distribution, and the concentration of the profits of this system into fewer and fewer hands. The old system of imperialism is dying away, while the interconnected, post-imperialist world is rising, trying to overcome the old. The interconnection of production and distrubution creates the elements of the downfall of imperialism as the global south develops.

                  On Contradiction isn’t word salad, and dialectical materialism isn’t Kool-Aid. Dialectical materialism isn’t a formula to impose on the world, but a tool for us to see where to look when analyzing existing phenomena. It doesn’t give answers, but it helps us find them.

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                  Try George Politzer “Elementary principles of philosophy” maybe? Its a term coming from Hegel, it makes more sense in german (Widerspruch literally means contradictory statement, e.g. parents might say “I don’t want to hear a Widerspruch!” to their kids when they’re refusing to cooperate).

                  I also don’t know what you mean by “dialectical materialism kool-aid”, it’s a useful toolbox for analysing society not some belief system one professes. And yeah someone using that toolbox will use the names those tools are called by other people who use the same toolbox. If you don’t use diamat, then the names won’t make much sense to you. E.g. I had to present a math paper where the person destructed a graph into “blocks”, and called that destructure a “blockade”. Which doesn’t make much sense, when we think of a “blockade” it’s an obstacle, not something we want on our way to prove a theorem, but within this framework it’s a tool that was used to find a certain type of graph within the larger graph and not at all an obstacle.

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            Nah. Being attacked by evil doesn’t make you good.

            You’ve got to stop with this black-and-white thinking.

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              You talk about black and white thinking in the same breath you talk about good and evil, which is some shit that isn’t real. It’s leftover christian DNA in our psychology, it’s the long shadow of the church looming over our thoughts. There’s no grand referee, there’s no universal morality. There’s just a bunch of animals trying to survive, and we make our own moral code, and we do so in the understanding that it’s not about pleasing some absentee god but about living with ourselves.

              Ironically, it’s you who is thinking in black and white right now, in binary “good or bad, saints or sinners”. You are, without meaning to do so I think, pulling a “he was no angel” about the country of Iran. We have to think relatively, not ideally, because there is no fixed good or evil: it’s all defined by what’s around it. Comparative analysis is all we have. In this context, between the US zionist axis of empire and Iran, Iran is indeed the “good guys”.

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              Yeah there isn’t a nation-state on earth that is a friend to the working class.

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          Sure, but I’ll defend any government protecting its people from being bombed by imperialists, after the war is over we can critique again.

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      Sure, reasonable: as long as we also apply that standard the next time someone says “Russian propaganda”. If we apply this standard universally, then we’re in a much better position to understand the world.