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minus-squarefrightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down5·1 month agoWhat appeals to you about that text?
minus-squareKimBongUn420@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up9arrow-down1·1 month agoHow authority is defined and how Engels actually logically provides an answer to the question whether organization without authority is possible
minus-squarefrightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down8·1 month agoA short ‘logical’ essay can give any answer in an abstract sense, but that doesn’t discount empirical examples. Always seemed to me like Engels begs the question, takes “anarchy = chaos” as a starting assumption.
minus-squaretechpeakedin1991@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up8·1 month agoEmpirical examples… that you have not provided?
minus-squarefrightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down8·1 month agoIt’s trivially easy to think of examples of “organisation without authority” in nature, in history, in software.
minus-squareKimBongUn420@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up12·1 month agoProvide a trivially easy example that you can think of (in the concrete sense) and let’s examine it together
minus-squarefrightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down11·1 month agoYou provide one, you have a brain, you don’t need me to spoonfeed you.
minus-squareKimBongUn420@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up9arrow-down1·1 month agoI provided you not only one, but two (cotton spinning wheel and railway example), assuming you’re familiar with Engels text. I see you’re either scared to be challenged ideologically or it’s not as trivially easy as you make it seem to be.
minus-squarefrightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down9·1 month agoNo, those aren’t examples of “organisation without authority”; they’re the opposite. I only see two possibilities – You need to spoonfeed you examples of “organisation without authority” because you have excessive respect for my opinion, lack of independent thought You’re playing the role of ‘hostile skeptic on the internet’
What appeals to you about that text?
How authority is defined and how Engels actually logically provides an answer to the question whether organization without authority is possible
A short ‘logical’ essay can give any answer in an abstract sense, but that doesn’t discount empirical examples.
Always seemed to me like Engels begs the question, takes “anarchy = chaos” as a starting assumption.
Empirical examples… that you have not provided?
It’s trivially easy to think of examples of “organisation without authority” in nature, in history, in software.
Provide a trivially easy example that you can think of (in the concrete sense) and let’s examine it together
You provide one, you have a brain, you don’t need me to spoonfeed you.
I provided you not only one, but two (cotton spinning wheel and railway example), assuming you’re familiar with Engels text.
I see you’re either scared to be challenged ideologically or it’s not as trivially easy as you make it seem to be.
No, those aren’t examples of “organisation without authority”; they’re the opposite.
I only see two possibilities –
“Prove my point for me”
Such as?